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I quite often feel like I don't have Joe be responsible enough.  On library day at school I'm the one that puts his book in his bag for him.  The snack that he takes every day and his water bottle, I'm the one that puts it together and puts it in his bag. His weekly homework, he has to be coaxed and cajoled through it.  I always figured that the whole point of homework was to encourage independant learning and self motivation - though probably that is more for an older child.

He is perfectly capable of doing all of these things but really its just faster if I do it myself.  I'm thinking I should start him off with one thing at once, it's not really as if any of these things have awful consequences if they don't get done.  So what if his library book is a week late, or that he doesn't have a snack for one day or that he has to drink from the water fountain, or even that he gets in trouble for not doing his homework.  At some point he is going to have to do these things for himself and I'd rather him learn these things now when the consequences are so small. Am I mollycoddling him?  But then I don't want him getting into bad habits mainly with homework and thinking it is no big deal to not do it.


How much responsibility do you place on your 5 year old to take care of their own things? 

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Sarah Grace pretty much does all that stuff on her own.  She also keeps her room picked up, puts clothes away after I've folded them, little stuff like that.  Sure it's faster for me to do it, and I do have to remind her about picking up her stuff and not forgetting to put things in her backpack, but I make her do them.  Even Kenley, who's not quite 2 picks up her toys at the end of the day.

I just feel like I'm not doing my job as a parent and not teaching them to be responsible, well-adjusted people if I do everything for them.  I help them when needed, and there are times that I do just do things myself, but the majority of the time, they do it, with supervision of course.

ETA:  After reading my post again, let me make something clear....I agree with Melissa, in that packing their snack or whatever isn't coddeling them.   But, you do have to teach them some kind of responsibility, even at this age.  At age 5, they know the difference between right and wrong, and they are learning what is expected of them, it's up to us to guide them in the right way

-- Edited by Juanita on Thursday 13th of January 2011 08:24:00 AM

-- Edited by Juanita on Thursday 13th of January 2011 12:52:55 PM

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this is my personal opinion, so take it for what it is worth.

5 year olds should not have homework.  this is a whole debate/discussion/philosophy, but 5 year olds gain nothing from homework.

start small and instead of putting the book in his bag, just remind him to do it at the time you would, and make him actually do it. they still need supervision at this age. some may be very responsible and take more pride in these type of things, but many it is not even on their radar yet.

yes, they need to learn to be responsible, but 5 is still young and developmentally some  things are not appropriate.

1st grade you will need to start working on it more, but every kid is very different. boys and girls tend to be very different when it comes to organization,etc.

packing your 5 year olds snack and water is not coddeling him.



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this is my personal opinion, so take it for what it is worth.

5 year olds should not have homework.  this is a whole debate/discussion/philosophy, but 5 year olds gain nothing from homework.

start small and instead of putting the book in his bag, just remind him to do it at the time you would, and make him actually do it. they still need supervision at this age. some may be very responsible and take more pride in these type of things, but many it is not even on their radar yet.

yes, they need to learn to be resonsible, but 5 is still young and developmentally some is things are not appropriate.

1st grade you will need to start working on it more, but every kid is very different. boys and girls tend to be very different when it comes to organization,etc.

packing your 5 year olds snack and water is not coddeling him.



I 100% agree with all of this.



 



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CoffeeQueen wrote:

this is my personal opinion, so take it for what it is worth.

5 year olds should not have homework.  this is a whole debate/discussion/philosophy, but 5 year olds gain nothing from homework.

start small and instead of putting the book in his bag, just remind him to do it at the time you would, and make him actually do it. they still need supervision at this age. some may be very responsible and take more pride in these type of things, but many it is not even on their radar yet.

yes, they need to learn to be resonsible, but 5 is still young and developmentally some is things are not appropriate.

1st grade you will need to start working on it more, but every kid is very different. boys and girls tend to be very different when it comes to organization,etc.

packing your 5 year olds snack and water is not coddeling him.



SG doesn't have "homework", but she has sight words she has to go over.  As far as doing homework and sending it back to school, they don't do that.  I agree, I do think that's a bit much for a kindergartener.

 



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I agree with the others. I think that teaching them to do things for themselves also builds self confidence and allows them to contribute positively to the family and eventually to society. At this age they need lots of guidance and supervision. Yes it takes longer, but in the long run it's easier. I know we have Elizabeth pick up her room every night and we have to sit there and point things out to her. The more she cleans her room, the less we are having to tell her. They will all get there. They just need the time to do it.

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I agree as well. We don't have homework, but we do have sight words and stuff. Some days she is excited to go through them, other days not, but we do it regardless and she never puts up a huge fight.

I let her pick her snack for the next day, and if we have time, I usually let her put it into her snack container-she is pretty good at determining how much she will be able to eat and doesn't seem to overdo it. I also have her help with lunch packing, like getting her drink or putting some chips in a bag or whatever. But if we are running short on time or we have been out or something, I just do it. It isn't like it is a chore-but she likes to help when she can. (they like to help back Bill's lunch too)

They pick up toys at the end of the day, but with adult help-usually Bill, lol. They are responsible for their rooms too, but they suck at it, so I have to help them, especially Kate with putting books back on her bookshelf.

So basically, they have responsibilities, but they get a lot of help too. They aren't old enough to do all of this stuff on their own.

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I agree with everybody else. I do ask Gavin to put his snack in his backpack but at this age if he doesn't do it I don't send him without one. If he was older and didn't then that would be a consequence. He does it when I ask. I agree that it is so much faster for us to do things but in the long run we are going to help them and ourselves if we have them do it. There are things that I ask Gavin to do sometimes and things that I expect him to do all the time. It's hard because my mom does more for him than I do so when we are both at her house he expects me to do it and I won't. (Like, putting his own shoes on which he can obviously do but my mom will do it for him if he asks.)

Just recently he has gotten so much better. They get themselves dressed in the morning. I bring their clothes to them. I am going to start this next week having them pick out their own clothes at night and lay them out for the morning. They brush their own teeth - I check but they have to go into the bathroom and get their toothbrush and mouth wash and all that.

They wash themselves in the shower - but of course I will help but the expectation is for them to do it. They help fold the clothes but I have a really hard time with that because I'm a control freak. But they love to help fold clothes and I figure if I discourage them now then they will never help. Gavin hangs his clothes up on occassion. A lot of time I do it when they are sleeping so he doesn't hang his clothes up a ton.

As far as homework goes - I agree about this being so young to have homework. Gavin gets something every Friday and it's more about doing something school related over the weekend than actual homework.

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I really need to give K more.

She picks up but it takes her forEVER and its because shes staring at nothing, not that shes just slow.

I pack her snack because I know shell choose something I wont want her to have for school. I try to do healthyish for school.

She does help when asked though so.

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ditto to everyone else. Im just trying to instill some level of responsibility, and also so I dont have to do everything!

I think I say "come on K, you are killing me!" At least once a day. :bag

But, I just wanted to add an anecdote about the library book. Kiera loves getting books from the library. She lost her book though and was unable to check out another for about three weeks. She knew it was her responsibility and never complained about it. So, after about three weeks, I paid for half and she gladly paid for the other half out of her piggy bank. Yup, we sent the school quarters and dimes in a plastic baggy. Now she knows what happens when she loses her book.

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I don't make Lauren pack her stuff yet.  I have enough trouble some days making sure we have complied with the dress code and gotten all the daily paperwork for the agenda handled and signed.  It's very strict and the parents are responsible  in K to make sure everything is done or the child loses a nickel based on their monetary system.  She has homework for every day of the week except Fridays. They have writing assignments (sentences), spelling words and math. Do most kids not have homework yet?

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I don't make Lauren pack her stuff yet.  I have enough trouble some days making sure we have complied with the dress code and gotten all the daily paperwork for the agenda handled and signed.  It's very strict and the parents are responsible  in K to make sure everything is done or the child loses a nickel based on their monetary system.  She has homework for every day of the week except Fridays. They have writing assignments (sentences), spelling words and math. Do most kids not have homework yet?



Wow! That surprises me about the homework. Gavin only gets homework sent home on Fridays which works well for us. It's usually something small - a little book to practice reading or some other writing assignment. 

 



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I don't make Lauren pack her stuff yet.  I have enough trouble some days making sure we have complied with the dress code and gotten all the daily paperwork for the agenda handled and signed.  It's very strict and the parents are responsible  in K to make sure everything is done or the child loses a nickel based on their monetary system.  She has homework for every day of the week except Fridays. They have writing assignments (sentences), spelling words and math. Do most kids not have homework yet?




 The only homework SG has is her sight words and papers that have her letters of the week on them that she has to practice.  She doesn't have to turn any of that back in.

The only thing she does have to turn back in is her books that she reads for her advanced reading, that's it.



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Kaylin has homework M-Th due Friday. It's 6 math questions and some handwriting/reading practice. She LOVES doing it and it takes fewer than 10 minutes. I do pack her snack, but mostly because I throw it in as I'm making lunch. I do make her put her own homework in her backpack. Now does she always turn it in? Not so much.

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i am not doing a great job on the responsibility thing. R is super responsible on her own so i havent really thougth about it, but i'm DEFINITELY packing her backpack still, and doing snacks and all of that.  half my prob is that every little thing results in a massive catastrophe for C, so like, if R has to pack her bag, i have to fabricate papers and a backpack so cara can pack her pretend one too - i cant live like that.
usually we're in such a rush that i just do things as simply as possible.  i think when C gets a little more mature (HOPEFULLY SOON), it will be easier to let R do more.

R always reminds me though that it's gym and she needs sneakers, or that she has to return a library book - she's on top of it, so i dont worry too much about the actual mechanical "put it in your bag" part.  she asks me the whole way to school if i remembered this and that.  plus our mudroom is currently unheated and all the stuff is in there- if i open that door for her to organize her stuff, it's like 10 minutes of lost heat - i can slip in and out of there in no time.  for us it's total pragmatics - lol.

she does have to clean up every night though.  she cleans the playroom and her room.  i do the laundry still - easier, again - but she gets her clothes out and gets dressed on her own with no input. she's also responsible for her activity-related stuff, like ballet and tap shoes, ballet outfit, swimming cap for lessons, piano books, etc (piano is new here).

homework - R gets one writing assignment a week (sentences) which is "optional" (she always does it though, she likes it). otherwise we get books usually once a week that the kids have to read to the parents.  they also get extra stuff that they didnt have time to finish in class too - none of it is mandatory though. R loves homework so she's happy to do anything in her folder - i dont think it's a big deal at all.


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this was really interesting to read.

i try to give emily (and jake) tasks that they can complete easily and we're really big on routine.

when we get home, for example, they know they have to "do their stuff." that means coats hung up, shoes in closets, lunchboxes on the counter, water bottles in the sink and emily has to unload her backpack.

in the morning, i pack the lunches and snacks (emily's in full-day so she needs 2). after breakfast, she knows she needs to do her backpack, so she puts her lunchbox in there, snacks in the pocket and waterbottle in the side pocket. then she sets the bag by the door.

if they're home, we have them put laundry away, but a lot of time this gets done while they're at school.

they are also responsible for picking up their own rooms, etc. (we threaten the garbage bag trick :bag:)

there is no fight about any of these things b/c it is the daily routine. emily feeds the pets in the morning and jake in the evening. again, not much of a fight (unless i interrupt jake in the middle of something he's really into to go feed the animals) because it's their daily routine.

i think that if you want joe to take on a little more responsibility, that's fair, but it needs to be a daily thing that just becomes a normal part of his day.

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They have changed the way they do homework this year at Raven's school. At first she had a homework packet that came home once a week. She could do it all at once or spread it out. It was reading, writing and math. I thought it was a lot of work but it was done in a fun way and Raven enjoyed it. That lasted for a few weeks.

Now they get a book(on their reading level) sent home on Friday with three assignments. Reading the book, sight words in the book and writing a sentence about the book.

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i have a 33 year old husband that can't handle doing most of these things, never mind my 5 year old son. biggrin

the only real responsibilities connor has is to pick up his toys, put his dirty laundry in his basket and put his dishes in the sink after meals. i pack his backpack every morning. they don't have snack or lunch at school (it is only 1/2 day here) so no need to worry about that yet.

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Thanks for all the replies. It's nice to know that there is still a variety of levels to this. I just need to pick the things I want him to be responsible for and make it part of our routine. This last week he has been sorting out his snack and water and putting it in his bag, I think he actually likes having his job to do and being a part of the process.

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Juni wrote:

Michele wrote:

I don't make Lauren pack her stuff yet.  I have enough trouble some days making sure we have complied with the dress code and gotten all the daily paperwork for the agenda handled and signed.  It's very strict and the parents are responsible  in K to make sure everything is done or the child loses a nickel based on their monetary system.  She has homework for every day of the week except Fridays. They have writing assignments (sentences), spelling words and math. Do most kids not have homework yet?



Wow! That surprises me about the homework. Gavin only gets homework sent home on Fridays which works well for us. It's usually something small - a little book to practice reading or some other writing assignment. 

 



No homework for us. We have a no homework policy in primary.

We do have reading - three books come home and when he's read them (usually that night) we send them back for three more.

If i detect he's at all tired when he's reading them, we stop and wait until the next morning or the next night. His days are long (early drop off, walk to school, school, walk to center for lunch, walk back to school, walk back to center for after school) that I figure he needs some time just to be "off".


 



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