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THanks for your input. I hope I didnt offend with my question. I just didnt understand.

See with Raym he is not very social and that is one of his weaker points. Talking to his therapists they all seem to agree I just put him with his age group as it advances and he'll pick up these skills.

I guess I wasnt thinking in the aspect they dont really have as much time to do that in kindergarten. I hope you are able to come to a decision you are comfortable with soon. SHe will do great either way because she has such a great mom.



Will Raym go to preschool?

The reason I ask is Nolan had huge separatiopn issues and was kind of shy until we sent him to preschool.  We sent him early at 3 because my mom watches him and he never had any interaction with other children.  It was amazing the difference in just after a week of being there.  Going to preschool made him a totally different kid.

Obviously Raym does have 2 other children to play with.  I was just remembering how shocked I was at the difference once I had him in a school setting with other children.  I sent him to a church preschool rather than a daycare preschool mainly because I was hoping it would be a little more structred and it has worked beautifully.

 



Raym will go to school at three at a normal school here. Ages three and four are only for kids who need early intervention and with his diagnosis he qualifies. If money permits Id rather send him to a normal preschool though because I dont know if being around other children who are behind in areas is going to hinder his growth since he may want to just be where everyone else is kwim?

But as of right now hell head over to the school district at three.

 

 




I would HIGHLY recommend doing the early intervention route rather than a traditional preschool. Most preschool teachers are not trained to deal with special needs children the way the teachers are at the EI places. I have seen much more growth from children with special needs being at an EI center than when they are put into a traditional school.

The skill level of the teachers will definitely help him so the environment (IMO) will not hinder his growth. And as a previous preschool teacher the setup of a traditional preschool is more kids, more stimulating environment and it can often times lead to problems because it is too stimulating for many children with special needs and can cause more negative behaviors.

That being said, we have a lot of children dually enrolled in the EI programs and at our Head Start schools. When he is age eligible for Head Start (the year right before kindergarten) you should enroll him because even though you are over income (I'm assuming but I'm pretty confident in that assumption) he would qualify because of his diagnosed disability. But if that works out he could be in a traditional preschool and it wouldn't cost you anything.



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Thanks Juni for your input. Hes most likely going the EI route.
Do you know by chance if you can just pull your kids out even though its run through the school district. I know that would be hard if it was kindergarten etc, but Im hoping to send him where k goes when hes that age. Im just wondering if its as strict of a program. (ie days of absenses allowed etc.)

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Kiera will be going to the neighborhood school for K. We made a significant stretch to move to this school district for this purpose.

Anyway, we did sign up last month. Apparently THE teacher to get is retiring, so Im just crossing my fingers for a good fit with whoever she gets. Im way more stressed about arranging before and after care than I am about her being in a class, since I figure it will be fairly similar to the Montessori "light" school she goes to now (24 kids, one teacher and one aid, group and individual work times, a lame playground they get to play on once or twice a day, worksheets and such). They will have a home visit closer to the begining of the school year. Most of the families in this area have a SAHM, that sort of stresses me out too, since I wont be able to volunteer as much as others, drop her off, pick her up, etc.

All in all though, I think she will be happy there. She is reading, writing by dictation (like Sonya described) and doing some "double math" as she calls it, but no where near writing her own sentences and I consider her pretty advanced.

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Is your 05er going to Kindergarden next year? Yes! I'm excited... and terribly sad.

Do they have orientation? Have they gone yet? Joe and I went to an informational meeting (yawn!) a few weeks ago, but her orientation isn't until 2 days before schools starts. She goes in for a reading assessment and takes a tour. Then, when school starts for the district, we go the first day and stay in the building while the kids do some activities and get acclimated, and the parents tour the building. Then, she starts going regularly.

What did you think? Are you excited? Sad? I'm about 50% excited for her because she is SO bored in pre-k. I'm sad that she's growing up... and I'm nervous for her because she's shy at first, and she doesn't know anyone in her class. (and I feel really bad about that because we've played sports and went to prek in other cities.)

What are you worried about? What are you happy about? I keep getting a question ahead, lol. I'm a worrywart by nature so I'm worrying about a lot - especially her being a peanut, riding the school bus, etc.

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Thanks Juni for your input. Hes most likely going the EI route.
Do you know by chance if you can just pull your kids out even though its run through the school district. I know that would be hard if it was kindergarten etc, but Im hoping to send him where k goes when hes that age. Im just wondering if its as strict of a program. (ie days of absenses allowed etc.)




I'm not Juni, but I know from teaching kids with diablities that as a parent you can say where you will and won't put your child.  You can most certainly put Raym in a private school if you choose and if you decide to go back to public they will have to continue to provide and abide by an IEP.

I am not saying to disregard a private school, but if you go that route, I would ask about accomodations and if they provide support services and follow and IEP.  The more support and intervention at a young age, the less is needed in later years.



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Thanks Juni for your input. Hes most likely going the EI route.
Do you know by chance if you can just pull your kids out even though its run through the school district. I know that would be hard if it was kindergarten etc, but Im hoping to send him where k goes when hes that age. Im just wondering if its as strict of a program. (ie days of absenses allowed etc.)



I'm not sure what you mean. Pull him out on certain days? Or pull him out for good? Are you talking about the EI with the school district or Head Start?  

 



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private schools that do not have ability to accomodate someone in an IEP can receive it through the public school district they live in and still attend the private school

We have kids in our private school that go to school here and have public school teams that work with them. They send in speach therapists, counselors, etc  and it is paid for by your tax dollars. You are entittled to it even if you choose a private/christian school. You just need to test through the public school system and set up an IEP. They meet with the teacher and set up a whole team to work with the child.

-- Edited by CoffeeQueen on Saturday 15th of May 2010 07:28:07 PM

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3s_a_crowd wrote:

Thanks Juni for your input. Hes most likely going the EI route.
Do you know by chance if you can just pull your kids out even though its run through the school district. I know that would be hard if it was kindergarten etc, but Im hoping to send him where k goes when hes that age. Im just wondering if its as strict of a program. (ie days of absenses allowed etc.)



I'm not sure what you mean. Pull him out on certain days? Or pull him out for good? Are you talking about the EI with the school district or Head Start?  

 



I mean more or less on certain days. I dont think hes ready for a five day a week thing but I think somewhere is good for him.

And it would be with the school district.

 



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private schools that do not have ability to accomodate someone in an IEP can receive it through the public school district they live in and still attend the private school

We have kids in our private school that go to school here and have public school teams that work with them. They send in speach therapists, counselors, etc  and it is paid for by your tax dollars. You are entittled to it even if you choose a private/christian school. You just need to test through the public school system and set up an IEP. They meet with the teacher and set up a whole team to work with the child.

-- Edited by CoffeeQueen on Saturday 15th of May 2010 07:28:07 PM



This isnt a huge concern for me as our ABA therapist can still work with him on school stuff at home. BUt this is good to know. Thanks.

 



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3s_a_crowd wrote:

Thanks Juni for your input. Hes most likely going the EI route.
Do you know by chance if you can just pull your kids out even though its run through the school district. I know that would be hard if it was kindergarten etc, but Im hoping to send him where k goes when hes that age. Im just wondering if its as strict of a program. (ie days of absenses allowed etc.)



I'm not sure what you mean. Pull him out on certain days? Or pull him out for good? Are you talking about the EI with the school district or Head Start?  

 



I mean more or less on certain days. I dont think hes ready for a five day a week thing but I think somewhere is good for him.

And it would be with the school district.

 

 



That I can't answer. I am sure it differs everywhere you go and I personally don't work in the school district so I am not sure. 

 



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Emily is going to kindergarten in the fall, but she's going to be in the special needs room at the beginning of the year.

i was shocked when they told me what K is like now. for example, they said that the incoming kindergartners will be expected to provide a writing sample the first week of school. when i asked about this, she said that most of the kids can write a sentence by the beginning of K. emily definitely cannot do this.

it's hard because i never really know how far behind she is. academically, i know she does pretty well, but she is still behind on her gross motor because of her balance issues. and her lack of balance leads her to be hesitant around the other kids b/c she doesn't want them knocking her over, etc.

i have a pretty strong feeling that she will start out in the special needs class and then up splitting the day between special needs & regular K. my hope is that by the end of the year she'll be able to be mainstreamed into the regular room with the accommodations she needs. i'm not 100% convinced that the special needs room is her least restrictive environment, but we'll only know for sure once she starts in there in the fall.



I've never heard of incoming K's being able to write sentences.

I know they're expected to write their first name somewhat legibly--capital first letter, lowercase the rest.

Also in the past, when they've done K testing (at the pre-registration), they've asked stuff that has to do with letter/number recognition and being able to recognize the parts of the body.

And I think at Henry's, they may have asked him to do stuff like jump up and down. I don't really remember.


 



I think that was pretty much all they did at Joe's screening too.  Joe said they had a picture of a man but he was missing an arm and an ear and a foot and he had to draw in the blanks.  They did some letter and number recognition and they took him to a different room from me to do this (I guess to see if he had any issue with being separated from me).  Also they had him write his name, he told me he just wrote "Joe" though cause he couldn't be bothered writing 'Joseph', even though he insists on being called Joseph - I hope he didn't tell them that though.

 



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Emily is going to kindergarten in the fall, but she's going to be in the special needs room at the beginning of the year.

i was shocked when they told me what K is like now. for example, they said that the incoming kindergartners will be expected to provide a writing sample the first week of school. when i asked about this, she said that most of the kids can write a sentence by the beginning of K. emily definitely cannot do this.

it's hard because i never really know how far behind she is. academically, i know she does pretty well, but she is still behind on her gross motor because of her balance issues. and her lack of balance leads her to be hesitant around the other kids b/c she doesn't want them knocking her over, etc.

i have a pretty strong feeling that she will start out in the special needs class and then up splitting the day between special needs & regular K. my hope is that by the end of the year she'll be able to be mainstreamed into the regular room with the accommodations she needs. i'm not 100% convinced that the special needs room is her least restrictive environment, but we'll only know for sure once she starts in there in the fall.



I've never heard of incoming K's being able to write sentences.

I know they're expected to write their first name somewhat legibly--capital first letter, lowercase the rest.

Also in the past, when they've done K testing (at the pre-registration), they've asked stuff that has to do with letter/number recognition and being able to recognize the parts of the body.

And I think at Henry's, they may have asked him to do stuff like jump up and down. I don't really remember.


 

 




thanks robin.

emily can definitely do all of that, but when i met with her pre-k teacher in december and she told us about the K program, she basically told me it's like 1st grade now in their expectations.

that stresses me out.  emily doesn't do well when she feels discouraged so i really don't want her having a bad experience in K where she thinks she can't do what the other kids can do.



The school here is like that. Andrew can write "The cow is big", and things like that.

But, he really doesn't like to write. Homework used to be a huge fight for us. Finally, I thought, what the heck, he's 4, this is P.S. So, when they have letters to do, he has to write it 5 times, upper and then lower case. That's it. Some kids turn in front and back pages of the letters written. Then usually the next day, they have to cut out words that start with the letter they are working on.

He's also left handed, and I've read that lefties take longer to do writing.

Steve doesn't even think that we should think about keeping him in P.S. one more year. I disagree. If K was 1/2 day, I'd be fine with him going. But, a full 7.5 hours... I'm scared it'll be too much. I'd rather keep him back now, then have him go for a while and then be pulled out.

This is so hard.

 



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Emily is going to kindergarten in the fall, but she's going to be in the special needs room at the beginning of the year.

i was shocked when they told me what K is like now. for example, they said that the incoming kindergartners will be expected to provide a writing sample the first week of school. when i asked about this, she said that most of the kids can write a sentence by the beginning of K. emily definitely cannot do this.

it's hard because i never really know how far behind she is. academically, i know she does pretty well, but she is still behind on her gross motor because of her balance issues. and her lack of balance leads her to be hesitant around the other kids b/c she doesn't want them knocking her over, etc.

i have a pretty strong feeling that she will start out in the special needs class and then up splitting the day between special needs & regular K. my hope is that by the end of the year she'll be able to be mainstreamed into the regular room with the accommodations she needs. i'm not 100% convinced that the special needs room is her least restrictive environment, but we'll only know for sure once she starts in there in the fall.



I've never heard of incoming K's being able to write sentences.

I know they're expected to write their first name somewhat legibly--capital first letter, lowercase the rest.

Also in the past, when they've done K testing (at the pre-registration), they've asked stuff that has to do with letter/number recognition and being able to recognize the parts of the body.

And I think at Henry's, they may have asked him to do stuff like jump up and down. I don't really remember.


 

 




thanks robin.

emily can definitely do all of that, but when i met with her pre-k teacher in december and she told us about the K program, she basically told me it's like 1st grade now in their expectations.

that stresses me out.  emily doesn't do well when she feels discouraged so i really don't want her having a bad experience in K where she thinks she can't do what the other kids can do.




 Apies...

I seriously think it is insane what we are doing to our little ones in the early years now. We are not letting them develop at an appropriate rate. Of course there will be some kids that can write, but the fact that it is expected is crazy. I do not think it is a problem at all that Em is not there yet. As Robin stated - some written letters should be expects. Also, identifying her name on paper, colors, basic shapes, counting small amounts of objects in groups, body parts,  and opposites are some things I would expect.  Madi had a little assessment in Prek this year where they assessed some of these skills. They also had to play some memory (concentration) game and name objects, describe, and tell what you can do with some objects. For example, the teacher showed her a blue ball. They were looking for the kid to say things such as ball, blue, circle, round, bouncing, throwing, playing...etc. They did have some simple analogies which I was shocked about. One was girl is to boy as big is to _______. They also did jumping, walking on a line, and hopping on one foot. 
    I am happy that Madi has gone to Prek this year, but I am not happy with what they are doing. I love the teacher and I know it is not her, but what is expected of her. I have first hand knowledge of it since I work in the same school.  They really focus on academics and not enough on creative play or exploration. They do not even have a sand or water table. They are in one classroom all day and have gym once a week. I know the teacher that covers Madi's teacher's prep trys to take them out to the playground just to play. She is a reading recovery specialist and she doesn't even agree with the way it is set up. 
   So all this  to say, please don't feel so pressured for Emily to be ready to do all the reading and writing. If she can do most of the skills above  she will be fine! Work on those with her (which I am sure you are already) and the writing will come soon enough. 

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Joyce - ITA! 

Just wanted to post that it looks like our school district will be going to full days 2 or 3 times a week instead of 5 half days. So, one week he will go MWF and the next TTH. I am actually happy about that - helps with the budget and I think that having a good chunk of time during the day will allow them to actually have time to work on things. Plus it will get him used to going all day for next year. It works better with our schedule too - I can probably drop him off and Doug can pick him up so it will be less work for my Dad.


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Robin wrote:

 

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Emily is going to kindergarten in the fall, but she's going to be in the special needs room at the beginning of the year.

i was shocked when they told me what K is like now. for example, they said that the incoming kindergartners will be expected to provide a writing sample the first week of school. when i asked about this, she said that most of the kids can write a sentence by the beginning of K. emily definitely cannot do this.

it's hard because i never really know how far behind she is. academically, i know she does pretty well, but she is still behind on her gross motor because of her balance issues. and her lack of balance leads her to be hesitant around the other kids b/c she doesn't want them knocking her over, etc.

i have a pretty strong feeling that she will start out in the special needs class and then up splitting the day between special needs & regular K. my hope is that by the end of the year she'll be able to be mainstreamed into the regular room with the accommodations she needs. i'm not 100% convinced that the special needs room is her least restrictive environment, but we'll only know for sure once she starts in there in the fall.



I've never heard of incoming K's being able to write sentences.

I know they're expected to write their first name somewhat legibly--capital first letter, lowercase the rest.

Also in the past, when they've done K testing (at the pre-registration), they've asked stuff that has to do with letter/number recognition and being able to recognize the parts of the body.

And I think at Henry's, they may have asked him to do stuff like jump up and down. I don't really remember.


 

 




thanks robin.

emily can definitely do all of that, but when i met with her pre-k teacher in december and she told us about the K program, she basically told me it's like 1st grade now in their expectations.

that stresses me out.  emily doesn't do well when she feels discouraged so i really don't want her having a bad experience in K where she thinks she can't do what the other kids can do.



The school here is like that. Andrew can write "The cow is big", and things like that.

But, he really doesn't like to write. Homework used to be a huge fight for us. Finally, I thought, what the heck, he's 4, this is P.S. So, when they have letters to do, he has to write it 5 times, upper and then lower case. That's it. Some kids turn in front and back pages of the letters written. Then usually the next day, they have to cut out words that start with the letter they are working on.

He's also left handed, and I've read that lefties take longer to do writing.

Steve doesn't even think that we should think about keeping him in P.S. one more year. I disagree. If K was 1/2 day, I'd be fine with him going. But, a full 7.5 hours... I'm scared it'll be too much. I'd rather keep him back now, then have him go for a while and then be pulled out.

This is so hard.

 




 Regarding the red. Bryce is a lefty and has had no issues. So do not worry with that.



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It was a really hard decision for us but we are going to wait to send Nolan until he's 6. He will go to preschool for his 3rd year in a row in the fall.

Academically he's ready, but we want him to have the extra year of maturity. It won't matter in kindergarten, but will help him later on in middle school, etc. It's pretty much the trend to hold them till they are 6 here, especially if they are boys. It helps them also because they develop slower than girls and you don't want them to be the smallest boy in the class when they get older for sports and stuff.

My birthday is at the end of August and I've always wished my mom had waited to send me to school. I struggled all the way up to high school. I just wasn't ready and I was forever behind in class. I was smart and could do the work. It was just that I was behind socially and couldn't make myself do the work like the other kids. Plus, when I went to school they put you in a certain class depending on your reading level. Well I tested really high in reading, but I couldn’t keep up with the other stuff.

It was such a hard decision and we really went back and forth on it. He went to kindergarten roundup and absolutely loved it. Never even looked back at me once. Just went in a room full of strangers and started playing. He wants to go so bad, but he understands that he has to wait one more year.

Once we made the final decision we finally felt at peace with it, so I know it was the right one. The only thing that stinks is paying another year of preschool.



Chickie, I just read through all your posts in this thread. And it just makes me give another sigh of relief for making the right decision in holding Owen back this year.

Kristi, was also another big help with telling me how she wished she had kept Jack back.

It is not Kindergarten that is the big issue. Most kids can get through that it is when the school work and such starts to pile up in the later years.

Heck, Bryce in 1st grade all year has had homework everynight M-TH plus weekly spelling tests and his AR reading goals he must reach.


 



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Mark will be starting K in the fall. They don't have preregistration this year but they are offering a Kindergarten camp that is one week in June--from 8:30 to 11:30. Mark is going to that.

Their "orientation" is a staggered start during which 4 of the kids in his class go for one day the first week of school, then they all go starting Monday of the second week.

Mark is excited. And so am I.

I told Mark that kids at big kid school don't wear character underwear, just plain white, and he was VERY excited last night when I brought him home some plain white undies from the store. giggle.gif

I'm also excited that next year, Mark won't have to tag along and hang out with the babies at my work, and he won't have to go in the nursery when I go to church meetings. Plus I'll have 2 days a week that I can run errands and go shopping by myself.




Robin the red cracked me up.

But seriously do they not? Joe loves his Spongebob undies!

 



Before Henry started K, my friend (who has an older ds) told me to make sure that he wore plain underwear. Otherwise kids would tease him.

(Also a friend of mine sent her dd with a sippy cup in her lunch on the first day of K, and her classmates called her a baby.)

I'm really wondering about the underwear thing though because ALL the boys in Mark's preschool class have cool character underwear. ?? Guess I'll send him in white the first few days and see what he says about it.


 



I have never in my life heard of this.

FTR, Bryce still has Spiderman, Transformers then some Gymboree but they have things like guitars, sports, camo, etc

 



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Chickie wrote:

It was a really hard decision for us but we are going to wait to send Nolan until he's 6. He will go to preschool for his 3rd year in a row in the fall.

Academically he's ready, but we want him to have the extra year of maturity. It won't matter in kindergarten, but will help him later on in middle school, etc. It's pretty much the trend to hold them till they are 6 here, especially if they are boys. It helps them also because they develop slower than girls and you don't want them to be the smallest boy in the class when they get older for sports and stuff.

My birthday is at the end of August and I've always wished my mom had waited to send me to school. I struggled all the way up to high school. I just wasn't ready and I was forever behind in class. I was smart and could do the work. It was just that I was behind socially and couldn't make myself do the work like the other kids. Plus, when I went to school they put you in a certain class depending on your reading level. Well I tested really high in reading, but I couldn’t keep up with the other stuff.

It was such a hard decision and we really went back and forth on it. He went to kindergarten roundup and absolutely loved it. Never even looked back at me once. Just went in a room full of strangers and started playing. He wants to go so bad, but he understands that he has to wait one more year.

Once we made the final decision we finally felt at peace with it, so I know it was the right one. The only thing that stinks is paying another year of preschool.



Chickie, I just read through all your posts in this thread. And it just makes me give another sigh of relief for making the right decision in holding Owen back this year.

Kristi, was also another big help with telling me how she wished she had kept Jack back.

It is not Kindergarten that is the big issue. Most kids can get through that it is when the school work and such starts to pile up in the later years.

Heck, Bryce in 1st grade all year has had homework everynight M-TH plus weekly spelling tests and his AR reading goals he must reach.


 

 



I'm glad it helped you!  I was seriously a nervous wreck making the decision.  I'm glad we are finally past it.

 



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I'm totally late on this thread....

But, Jillian is going full day in the fall. She will actually be 4 when school starts, since it starts August 9th here and she doesn't turn 5 until the 17th.

Anyways, we both feel she is more than ready is all aspects. I think what will be the biggest issue is that she's shy at first. But, she's been doing her dance class for over and year now and the improvement I've seen in her social skills is amazing.

Anyways, right now we are debating between a charter and the public school Ry's been in for 2 years.  The state cut funding for full day K, so now in public schools we are required to pay for a full day. Which blows. Ryan really wants the kids to attend this charter school, that has high testing scores etc and is raved about, so I've enrolled them. Problem is, there is a waiting list for K because they offer free full day, so who knows if they will get in. They get tested next month.

If not, we are incredibly happy with the school Ryan is in now, so they will go there if all else fails.

We are all excited for her.

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