Juni wrote:

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I don't disagree with you. I just think weight is a big proponent to get people to even start looking at being healthy. When I was in college, at my thinnest, I would have thought I was healthy. Even up until this very round of losing weight I looked back at that time period. Why? Because I was the skinniest. The weight came off in a healthy way - I didn't have a car and walked everywhere. But - I ate fast food every day and I ate like a pig. I am probably healthier now and have just finally gotten that in my head, kwim? 

Now that I'm in it (and I'm in it because I wanted to lose weight) it's so much more than the weight. SO much. It's amazing. 

 

 

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Yes, this was my experience, too. My journey did start with a desire to lose weight, most definitely...

...BUT, I will say that I think it could've been different should I have had some sort of athletic background. What really reinforced this thinking for me has been running. I'm not super fast -- but I am in much better shape than someone would think based on physical appearance alone, and I can kick many-a-skinny-girl's ass come racing day.

Now said skinny girl at the finish line would probably console herself by saying, "yeah, well, at least I don't look like that"... and before I could've beat skinny girl, I would've agreed with her. But now that I have this body confidence? No way. Because this confidence has carried over into so many other areas of my life to the point that I am now far more tolerant of my imperfections -- including my less-than-perfect appearance.

(Most days. I'll freely admit that there are some days even now where I want to say screw it and pick up the diet pills. Because let's face it -- our culture right now is on skinny girl's side. Which is why I think our culture is going to hell in a handbasket. But that's a digression too big for even this thread, LOL.)

 

mctex wrote:

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Well, Kelly herself (sorry to put you on the spot, Kelly) said that she thought that everyone should take it seriously, and she has no weight to lose. She just said she had no ability to quantify things. Is she being honest with herself? IDK, LOL. I've never really ever been at a point where I've felt like I couldn't stand to lose a few lbs, so trying to assess what life would feel like at that point is next to impossible for me.

But if you're asking me if this is all about weight loss for me, the answer is a resounding no. What this is ultimately about for me is what kind of role model I'm being to my girls, and that has nothing to do with weight. (Although I guess if I could count on my genes to keep them thin, the sense of urgency that I instill healthy living values in them might not be so great, IDK.)

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bold: lmao.
i'm totally with you.  my kids should see me as a role model for health, not weight. i assume they will be heavier than me when they grow up - they already ask me why i'm smaller than other moms, and i'm very quick to explain to them that God gave us the bodies he gave us, and our only job is to keep them healthy. 

i am always interested in daughters' body images in relation to their mothers' body type and relationship with food.  such a rich topic. 

 

mctex wrote:

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Juni wrote:

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I don't disagree with you. I just think weight is a big proponent to get people to even start looking at being healthy. When I was in college, at my thinnest, I would have thought I was healthy. Even up until this very round of losing weight I looked back at that time period. Why? Because I was the skinniest. The weight came off in a healthy way - I didn't have a car and walked everywhere. But - I ate fast food every day and I ate like a pig. I am probably healthier now and have just finally gotten that in my head, kwim? 

Now that I'm in it (and I'm in it because I wanted to lose weight) it's so much more than the weight. SO much. It's amazing. 

 

 

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Yes, this was my experience, too. My journey did start with a desire to lose weight, most definitely...

...BUT, I will say that I think it could've been different should I have had some sort of athletic background. What really reinforced this thinking for me has been running. I'm not super fast -- but I am in much better shape than someone would think based on physical appearance alone, and I can kick many-a-skinny-girl's ass come racing day.

Now said skinny girl at the finish line would probably console herself by saying, "yeah, well, at least I don't look like that"... and before I could've beat skinny girl, I would've agreed with her. But now that I have this body confidence? No way. Because this confidence has carried over into so many other areas of my life to the point that I am now far more tolerant of my imperfections -- including my less-than-perfect appearance.

(Most days. I'll freely admit that there are some days even now where I want to say screw it and pick up the diet pills. Because let's face it -- our culture right now is on skinny girl's side. Which is why I think our culture is going to hell in a handbasket. But that's a digression too big for even this thread, LOL.)

 

 

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the skinny girls are probably not thinking that. they're probably thinking "i need to get in shape." i know lots of heavier women in all these local triatholons and i sit here like "i am such a lazy pile of crap."

 

daisy wrote:

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michelle, i'm just rereading what you've written bc i felt like i was missing something...
i hope i didnt come off as sounding like "bc i dont worry about the scale, i dont need to worry about health" - that's the opposite of what i was saying.
what i meant was "bc the scale is out of the equation for me, i need to find extra incentive bc i'm not all that motivated to work out, which is a BAD THING" -
i'm just not sure i was clear on that.
that's why i was saying that i agreed with juni's post that if you had no weight to lose, the motivation might be lower - that *is* what i meant - and i dont think this is a good thing.

i had a scone at starbucks the other day, and my friend was like "you can afford it" and i sat there thinking "yeah see this is not right - i CANT afford it, bc it's crap and loaded with sugar, and i could have chosen the fruit, upped the demand for the fruit and decreased the demand for the scone."  but i made the wrong choice there. 

hope that clarifies my original statement.

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I get this a lot.  Just because I'm not watching my weight doesn't mean I'm not watching what I eat.  I wasn't like this unitl my DS started putting weight on fast.  Raven's diet has been so much better because we started eating better before she was born.

 

daisy wrote:

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michelle, i'm just rereading what you've written bc i felt like i was missing something...
i hope i didnt come off as sounding like "bc i dont worry about the scale, i dont need to worry about health" - that's the opposite of what i was saying.
what i meant was "bc the scale is out of the equation for me, i need to find extra incentive bc i'm not all that motivated to work out, which is a BAD THING" -
i'm just not sure i was clear on that.
that's why i was saying that i agreed with juni's post that if you had no weight to lose, the motivation might be lower - that *is* what i meant - and i dont think this is a good thing.

i had a scone at starbucks the other day, and my friend was like "you can afford it" and i sat there thinking "yeah see this is not right - i CANT afford it, bc it's crap and loaded with sugar, and i could have chosen the fruit, upped the demand for the fruit and decreased the demand for the scone."  but i made the wrong choice there. 

hope that clarifies my original statement.

 

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I interpreted your original statement to mean that because you had no tangible metrics you were having a challenge finding motivation. I totally get that, which is why I responded to your post. Once upon a time, all I was concerned about was the scale, so I can understand why someone who wasn't concerned about the scale would struggle with setting an observable goal. (For example, in your case, I'd be super interested to see if there's any relationship between your B12 intake and your vertigo symptoms. Have you had that tested?)

But you confused me a little on your reply to Juni, and I'm thinking I may be even more confused after reading your scone story. When you said "health should be important to every single person", maybe you meant from the food chain aspect as opposed to a personal aspect?

Because I'm reading your scone story as though to suggest the reason YOU shouldn't eat the scone is to make less scones and more fruit available to those who need to eat the scone instead of the fruit. In which case I don't think I've been reading your comments with the right context. (And in which case I would partially agree with you, but also suggest that your reasons to avoid the scone might include more personal ones as opposed to purely altruistic societal ones.)

Damn this medium is tricky sometimes, LOL

 

mctex wrote:

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daisy wrote:

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michelle, i'm just rereading what you've written bc i felt like i was missing something...
i hope i didnt come off as sounding like "bc i dont worry about the scale, i dont need to worry about health" - that's the opposite of what i was saying.
what i meant was "bc the scale is out of the equation for me, i need to find extra incentive bc i'm not all that motivated to work out, which is a BAD THING" -
i'm just not sure i was clear on that.
that's why i was saying that i agreed with juni's post that if you had no weight to lose, the motivation might be lower - that *is* what i meant - and i dont think this is a good thing.

i had a scone at starbucks the other day, and my friend was like "you can afford it" and i sat there thinking "yeah see this is not right - i CANT afford it, bc it's crap and loaded with sugar, and i could have chosen the fruit, upped the demand for the fruit and decreased the demand for the scone."  but i made the wrong choice there. 

hope that clarifies my original statement.

 

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I interpreted your original statement to mean that because you had no tangible metrics you were having a challenge finding motivation. I totally get that, which is why I responded to your post. Once upon a time, all I was concerned about was the scale, so I can understand why someone who wasn't concerned about the scale would struggle with setting an observable goal. (For example, in your case, I'd be super interested to see if there's any relationship between your B12 intake and your vertigo symptoms. Have you had that tested?)

But you confused me a little on your reply to Juni, and I'm thinking I may be even more confused after reading your scone story. When you said "health should be important to every single person", maybe you meant from the food chain aspect as opposed to a personal aspect?

Because I'm reading your scone story as though to suggest the reason YOU shouldn't eat the scone is to make less scones and more fruit available to those who need to eat the scone instead of the fruit. In which case I don't think I've been reading your comments with the right context. (And in which case I would partially agree with you, but also suggest that your reasons to avoid the scone might include more personal ones as opposed to purely altruistic societal ones.)

Damn this medium is tricky sometimes, LOL

 

 

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i meant the scone thing from both perspectives.  if we all made healthier choices, maybe the scone (microcosm for all crap food) would be more expensive than the fruit (microcosm for all healthier foods).  the fruit at starbucks is $3.45, while the scone is $1.95.

i didnt choose the scone bc it was cheaper though. i chose it bc i like it.

and i should haev chosen the fruit for personal reasons too. i take in too much sugar. it's not good for me.  i think about that kind of thing in all my food choices (that i could always be eating healthier) - but films like food inc remind me that my choices affect everyone.

i had my bloodwork done - not sure if B12 was tested or not. something to look into!

CoffeeQueen wrote:

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Kelly, totally off subject, but Michelle made a comment about B12 and it had me thinking. Have you been tested for Menieres diesease?

I believe diet is a huge factor to vertigo. If you have a high salt and sugar diet that it makes the difference. My cousin suffers from it and she has to have a strict diet and hardly drink alcohol, salt, sugar, etc. Not sure on the B12, but I know the diet is key.

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well my due to my symptoms, my doctor has diagnosed it as positional vertigo.  it only hits sometimes for a month or so at a time.  i had my blood done and i didnt show any deficiencies.

i dont have any of the other symptoms of menieres (thank god).

eta: positional vertigo runs in my family.  my mom has it, and her dad and aunt, and so did her paternal grandmother.  two cousins on that side have it as well.

-- Edited by daisy on Sunday 7th of February 2010 06:23:01 PM

CoffeeQueen wrote:

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daisy wrote:

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CoffeeQueen wrote:

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Kelly, totally off subject, but Michelle made a comment about B12 and it had me thinking. Have you been tested for Menieres diesease?

I believe diet is a huge factor to vertigo. If you have a high salt and sugar diet that it makes the difference. My cousin suffers from it and she has to have a strict diet and hardly drink alcohol, salt, sugar, etc. Not sure on the B12, but I know the diet is key.

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well my due to my symptoms, my doctor has diagnosed it as positional vertigo.  it only hits sometimes for a month or so at a time.  i had my blood done and i didnt show any deficiencies.

i dont have any of the other symptoms of menieres (thank god).

eta: positional vertigo runs in my family.  my mom has it, and her dad and aunt, and so did her paternal grandmother.  two cousins on that side have it as well.

-- Edited by daisy on Sunday 7th of February 2010 06:23:01 PM

 

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that just stinks. my cousin just had testing for her ears and they diagnosed her with the minieres. it made me think of you because she would have bouts of getting very dizzy. she just has to watch her diet very closely. They originally diagnosed her with vertigo too. I know nothing about mineires, but wondered if you were tested for it.

I had no clue that vertigo was hereditary disease. Lucky you, huh.

 

 

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it does tend to run in families.
my hearing actually is not great....now that you mention it....
i think tinnitis is another huge symptom of menieres and i definitely dont have that.  also i think there is obvious swelling in the ear canal, and my ears have been checked.
i should look into the diet anyway, bc i'm sure it couldnt hurt the dizzies.

 

daisy wrote:

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daisy wrote:

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CoffeeQueen wrote:

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daisy wrote:

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CoffeeQueen wrote:

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Kelly, totally off subject, but Michelle made a comment about B12 and it had me thinking. Have you been tested for Menieres diesease?

I believe diet is a huge factor to vertigo. If you have a high salt and sugar diet that it makes the difference. My cousin suffers from it and she has to have a strict diet and hardly drink alcohol, salt, sugar, etc. Not sure on the B12, but I know the diet is key.

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well my due to my symptoms, my doctor has diagnosed it as positional vertigo.  it only hits sometimes for a month or so at a time.  i had my blood done and i didnt show any deficiencies.

i dont have any of the other symptoms of menieres (thank god).

eta: positional vertigo runs in my family.  my mom has it, and her dad and aunt, and so did her paternal grandmother.  two cousins on that side have it as well.

-- Edited by daisy on Sunday 7th of February 2010 06:23:01 PM

 

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that just stinks. my cousin just had testing for her ears and they diagnosed her with the minieres. it made me think of you because she would have bouts of getting very dizzy. she just has to watch her diet very closely. They originally diagnosed her with vertigo too. I know nothing about mineires, but wondered if you were tested for it.

I had no clue that vertigo was hereditary disease. Lucky you, huh.

 

 

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it does tend to run in families.
my hearing actually is not great....now that you mention it....
i think tinnitis is another huge symptom of menieres and i definitely dont have that.  also i think there is obvious swelling in the ear canal, and my ears have been checked.
i should look into the diet anyway, bc i'm sure it couldnt hurt the dizzies.

 

 

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reading more about it now - i dont have the earaches, nausea, or vomitting either. phew.

 

 

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She did not have the above, but dizzy spells and loss of hearing.