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CoffeeQueen wrote:

 

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another thing I find interesting is that this has only been around for 5 months. If the truth was that this has not had as many deaths as the seasonal type A flu then how can we know? We are not even sure how long this runs? It started in Mexico in what, april? So, I am not sure how that can true in terms of total deaths compared to seasonal.

I am not sure where the data all comes from and like this vaccine, every Dr. has an opinion.

Also, at least in my experience with the flu and in years past with the kids here. The flu has not knocked them out for such long  periods as this strain has. That is where I see the difference. I cannot tell you how many kids are better one day, down the next, etc. a week later sick again from secondary issues. It is really hitting the youngs immune system if you ask me. That is where I see it being different in a sense.

I had to come back and add this. I hope you do not think I am some H1N1 freak,lol. I guess I do not think this is some conspiracy theory. I think that there are most likely many factors involved. I guess what troubles me is that with the seaonal flu in years past it has not caused those that have asthma and that to be out over a week. I mean sure the seasonal flu is worse on the elderly, immune compromised. However, so far that is not the case with this strain. That I guess is what makes me go hmmm.



-- Edited by CoffeeQueen on Tuesday 3rd of November 2009 10:12:24 AM


I'm just a tad bit confused with your thinking here, so help me out.

Are you saying that kids with asthma don't usually stay down for a week with the seasonal flu? 

And about the elderly..you're wondering why this H1N1 isn't affecting them like it's affecting the young?

 

 


In what I have been witnessing. Even those who are not immune compromised are being hit hard (young kids.) Also, yes - I am seeing it have longer then normal effects on those who do have asthma, etc. I know the seasonal flu is deadly, but on a whole here it seems to have been worse then the 10 years I have seen with just seasonal flu. This is just in this months period.

 


okay, let me explain it to you.

The reason it's hitting the young so hard, and not hitting older adults (and adults my age even) as hard is because the adults have seen it before, some more than others.  Young kids haven't seen this strain before so it hits them harder.

 ETA: so because kids haven't seen this strain, those that are immune compromised are being hit especially hard and it takes them longer to get over it because they don't have the antibodies to fight it



-- Edited by Juanita on Tuesday 3rd of November 2009 10:36:33 AM
Just an  interesting tidbit, and I have no idea if it's true or not, but I was watching a report about a doctor that has been studying H1N1 and he said that the strain is similar, but not ANYWHERE near as bad, as the strain that killed all of those people in the early 1900's.

Therefore he has concluded that anyone born before 1950 is more safe from H1N1 than others because they already have an immunity to this type of flu.

That's why he thinks it's not hitting old people as hard as young.

Again it's just one guy studying this so who knows but I just found that interesting.

Makes me a little less scared for my parents.

 


yep, that's true and exactly what I said smile

 



 Oops, didn't read the whole thread. Did you see that report too?


No, one of our family physicians told me that earlier this year.

 



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We just went to the pedi again tonight because Kate's fever returned (sinus infection, tonsils infected, and possible strep-they didn't test because she was treating her anyway for the other things).

Anyway, the pedi said that she saw a girl who had H1N1 in March and just got is AGAIN.  She said kids under 10 can get it more than once.  Apparently they don't always build up enough antibodies from it or something.  (though is it possible it was a different strain?  IHNI)

Fabulous.  Just great.  Just what I needed-more to worry about!!!



Poor Kate smile I'm sorry she's sick again. 

How are you doing with what we talked about yesterday?  You can pm me if you want.  Sorry I haven't sent you what I said I was, but as you saw on facebook, I had a whale of a morning, lol

Then to top it off, I've got a fever today, so I guess I picked up something in the dang ER

 


Oh, don't even worry about it!!!  I just saw you were sick and I am SO SORRY.  Just get better!!!!

I am doing ok-obviously I need a lot of practice, but I am working a lot on it, and I feel inspired, so thank you!!!  Now just take care of yourself, and don't give me a second thought for now!!

 



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Supa- I'm sorry that Kate is sick again. I hope she gets better soon. And moreover that Anna doesn't get sick again.


How's Bill doing?



Thanks, Jennie-the girls are doing better.  Anna is raring to go, and Kate is getting there, poor thing.  She wants to do everything, but then she poops out.  I told her I wanted to keep her home tomorrow and she was NOT pleased!

Bill is a man, lol.  So he is doing as well as a man can.  He is back at work, of course, but he is still hacking and coughing and I think he probably has bronchitis or something-he sounds AWFUL, and he should be over this by now.  But he doesn't take care of himself, so I am not surprised!



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If it's H1N1 wouldn't it show up at type A flu?

 



I had to delete quote boxes, lol.

There has been a lot of discussion about this at the preschool.  One teacher said her pedi told her the swab test was only about 50% accurate.

:dunno



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Supa- I'm sorry that Kate is sick again. I hope she gets better soon. And moreover that Anna doesn't get sick again.


How's Bill doing?



Thanks, Jennie-the girls are doing better.  Anna is raring to go, and Kate is getting there, poor thing.  She wants to do everything, but then she poops out.  I told her I wanted to keep her home tomorrow and she was NOT pleased!

Bill is a man, lol.  So he is doing as well as a man can.  He is back at work, of course, but he is still hacking and coughing and I think he probably has bronchitis or something-he sounds AWFUL, and he should be over this by now.  But he doesn't take care of himself, so I am not surprised!

 



UC is autoimmune right?

I have no idea where- I thought the CDC website- but I thought that those with autoimmune disorders/compromised immune systems did not qualify for the H1N1 vaccine...

I know they do not qualify for the live mist...

So, being as someone who has an autoimmune disease/compromised immune I asked my dr.. I am a candidate and I get the shot (ouch)..

Do you qualify out of curiousity?


And Robitussin...

 



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On another forum, a member had an interesting perspective about the deaths from H1N1.

We've all heard/read stories about "healthy" kids dying from H1N1; that is, no underlying condition.  Not to minimize the tragedy, but it is possible that their "healthy" is different from what we might consider healthy.  In other words, maybe they lived in a household of smokers.  Maybe they only ate junk food and very little in the way of fruits and vegetables.  Maybe they were vitamin-deficient, or barely within the range of normal.  Maybe they never got any exercise.

No kid is going to be a perfectly healthy eater (least of all mine, LOL), but we all know there is a world of difference between a picky eater and one who lives on processed foods.

We will probably never know, but it's good to keep in mind.


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On another forum, a member had an interesting perspective about the deaths from H1N1.


We've all heard/read stories about "healthy" kids dying from H1N1; that is, no underlying condition.  Not to minimize the tragedy, but it is possible that their "healthy" is different from what we might consider healthy.  In other words, maybe they lived in a household of smokers.  Maybe they only ate junk food and very little in the way of fruits and vegetables.  Maybe they were vitamin-deficient, or barely within the range of normal.  Maybe they never got any exercise.

No kid is going to be a perfectly healthy eater (least of all mine, LOL), but we all know there is a world of difference between a picky eater and one who lives on processed foods.

We will probably never know, but it's good to keep in mind.

 


I have wondered this too as well as wondering if they are actually checking to see if there were underlying conditions after all. 

 



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Juni wrote:

 

Alison wrote:

On another forum, a member had an interesting perspective about the deaths from H1N1.


We've all heard/read stories about "healthy" kids dying from H1N1; that is, no underlying condition.  Not to minimize the tragedy, but it is possible that their "healthy" is different from what we might consider healthy.  In other words, maybe they lived in a household of smokers.  Maybe they only ate junk food and very little in the way of fruits and vegetables.  Maybe they were vitamin-deficient, or barely within the range of normal.  Maybe they never got any exercise.

No kid is going to be a perfectly healthy eater (least of all mine, LOL), but we all know there is a world of difference between a picky eater and one who lives on processed foods.

We will probably never know, but it's good to keep in mind.

 


I have wondered this too as well as wondering if they are actually checking to see if there were underlying conditions after all. 

 

 



Doesn't it take like 8 weeks for autopsy results to come back?  And are they even doing autopsies on all of these deaths?



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Alison wrote:

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Alison wrote:

On another forum, a member had an interesting perspective about the deaths from H1N1.


We've all heard/read stories about "healthy" kids dying from H1N1; that is, no underlying condition.  Not to minimize the tragedy, but it is possible that their "healthy" is different from what we might consider healthy.  In other words, maybe they lived in a household of smokers.  Maybe they only ate junk food and very little in the way of fruits and vegetables.  Maybe they were vitamin-deficient, or barely within the range of normal.  Maybe they never got any exercise.

No kid is going to be a perfectly healthy eater (least of all mine, LOL), but we all know there is a world of difference between a picky eater and one who lives on processed foods.

We will probably never know, but it's good to keep in mind.

 


I have wondered this too as well as wondering if they are actually checking to see if there were underlying conditions after all. 

 

 



Doesn't it take like 8 weeks for autopsy results to come back?  And are they even doing autopsies on all of these deaths?



 I think in some states that when a child dies, an autopsy is required automatically.  I'll have to check on that.



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Jennie wrote:

 

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Jennie wrote:

Supa- I'm sorry that Kate is sick again. I hope she gets better soon. And moreover that Anna doesn't get sick again.


How's Bill doing?



Thanks, Jennie-the girls are doing better.  Anna is raring to go, and Kate is getting there, poor thing.  She wants to do everything, but then she poops out.  I told her I wanted to keep her home tomorrow and she was NOT pleased!

Bill is a man, lol.  So he is doing as well as a man can.  He is back at work, of course, but he is still hacking and coughing and I think he probably has bronchitis or something-he sounds AWFUL, and he should be over this by now.  But he doesn't take care of himself, so I am not surprised!

 



UC is autoimmune right?

I have no idea where- I thought the CDC website- but I thought that those with autoimmune disorders/compromised immune systems did not qualify for the H1N1 vaccine...

I know they do not qualify for the live mist...

So, being as someone who has an autoimmune disease/compromised immune I asked my dr.. I am a candidate and I get the shot (ouch)..

Do you qualify out of curiousity?


And Robitussin...

 

 


IHNI, tbh.  I didn't ask the GI.  I am not allowed to have live vaccines at all, but I did get a regular flu shot last year at the GI's office.  But since I wasn't going to get the vax anyway, I didn't feel like I needed to ask.

Oh, yes, UC is autoimmune.  Like Crohns, but large intestine rather than small.

 



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