Lord help me, I keep getting more confused...

kdrew · Guru

RE: Lord help me, I keep getting more confused...

CoffeeQueen · Guru

kdrew wrote:

One county here only has injectables and the other only has mist. It is insane and so poorly run. No pediatricians here are giving it out. Do other states have them at their peds?

Then to add on top of it all. You have a whole mass clinic of people getting a live virus. That is insane and a great way to spread it.

I now cannot even get a reg flu shot for the kids. They are out of all pediatric doses

In reality, yes. She said that the child had the vaccine that day and the symptoms go hand in hand with reaction to the vaccine. Now, you know many things can contribute so I do not have details like that. I just am so sick of this back and forth.

They said over 80% of medical staff will not take the shot. I do not get it. Is there something we do not know?

What is the reaction to the vaccine?

The CDC said there are no reactions yet so what reactions are you comparing it to?

I just want to be clear because I feel like this is the kind of thing that starts panic.

One person saying that there have been deaths from the vaccine when it hasn't been reported and we really don't know anything about the situation of these kids.

I understand and feel the same way. My two questions are. How do they even know what the reactions could be since they only tested it on a low # before releasing? If the vaccine was just released this week to the main stream public, how do we or they know the reactions yet?

Here is the sheet form CDC http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/vis/downloads/vis-inact-h1n1.pdf

Lists reactions as
What should I look for? Any unusual condition, such as a high fever or
behavior changes. Signs of a severe allergic reaction can
include diffi culty breathing, hoarseness or wheezing,
hives, paleness, weakness, a fast heart beat or dizziness.
What should I do? • Call a doctor, or get the person to a doctor right away. • Tell the doctor what happened, the date and time it happened, and when the vaccination was given. • Ask your provider to report the reaction by fi ling a Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) form.

supergrover · Guru

CoffeeQueen wrote:

supergrover wrote:

CoffeeQueen wrote:

FYI - with the nasal mist you are contagious and are expected to stay away from people for 7 days. You can spread the virus. It is live.

There have been side effects from the vaccine, but all vaccines come with risk.

We had two deaths at Childrens here from the reaction to the h1n1 vaccine.

One county here only has injectables and the other only has mist. It is insane and so poorly run. No pediatricians here are giving it out. Do other states have them at their peds?

Then to add on top of it all. You have a whole mass clinic of people getting a live virus. That is insane and a great way to spread it.

I now cannot even get a reg flu shot for the kids. They are out of all pediatric doses and do not expect more in :( Even the health dept is out.

-- Edited by CoffeeQueen on Wednesday 21st of October 2009 12:38:10 PM

Insanity is running a mass vaccination clinic on campus expecting to vaccinnate up to 300 students per hour. The insane part? The vaccine isn't available to the very staff who are being asked/required to help run the clinic until a week later.

I hate this.

For real? Are you guys doing the nasal mist? This whole thing is out of control. Parents are going nuts here. This really is scary how unprepared we are. Also, I bet we will start to run out of Tamiflu now.

I just got the initial flyers a few minutes ago. They read if you are 24 or under, and breathing, you hsould come get a shot. That leads me to believe we are not getting mist here on campus.

kdrew · Guru

CoffeeQueen wrote:

kdrew wrote:

One county here only has injectables and the other only has mist. It is insane and so poorly run. No pediatricians here are giving it out. Do other states have them at their peds?

Then to add on top of it all. You have a whole mass clinic of people getting a live virus. That is insane and a great way to spread it.

I now cannot even get a reg flu shot for the kids. They are out of all pediatric doses

In reality, yes. She said that the child had the vaccine that day and the symptoms go hand in hand with reaction to the vaccine. Now, you know many things can contribute so I do not have details like that. I just am so sick of this back and forth.

They said over 80% of medical staff will not take the shot. I do not get it. Is there something we do not know?

What is the reaction to the vaccine?

The CDC said there are no reactions yet so what reactions are you comparing it to?

I just want to be clear because I feel like this is the kind of thing that starts panic.

One person saying that there have been deaths from the vaccine when it hasn't been reported and we really don't know anything about the situation of these kids.

I understand and feel the same way. My two questions are. How do they even know what the reactions could be since they only tested it on a low # before releasing? If the vaccine was just released this week to the main stream public, how do we or they know the reactions yet?

Here is the sheet form CDC http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/vis/downloads/vis-inact-h1n1.pdf

Lists reactions as
What should I look for? Any unusual condition, such as a high fever or
behavior changes. Signs of a severe allergic reaction can
include diffi culty breathing, hoarseness or wheezing,
hives, paleness, weakness, a fast heart beat or dizziness.
What should I do? • Call a doctor, or get the person to a doctor right away. • Tell the doctor what happened, the date and time it happened, and when the vaccination was given. • Ask your provider to report the reaction by fi ling a Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) form.

OK so you're talking about typical reactions, not specifically H1N1 vaccine reactions.

Like it's possible these kids got the mist when they didn't actually qualify, like they had egg allergies or resperatory problems, and had a deadly reaction to that.

It's scary, live virus vaccines seem like such a crap shoot.

CoffeeQueen · Guru

I understand and feel the same way. My two questions are. How do they even know what the reactions could be since they only tested it on a low # before releasing? If the vaccine was just released this week to the main stream public, how do we or they know the reactions yet?

Here is the sheet form CDC http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/vis/downloads/vis-inact-h1n1.pdf

Lists reactions as
What should I look for? Any unusual condition, such as a high fever or
behavior changes. Signs of a severe allergic reaction can
include diffi culty breathing, hoarseness or wheezing,
hives, paleness, weakness, a fast heart beat or dizziness.
What should I do? • Call a doctor, or get the person to a doctor right away. • Tell the doctor what happened, the date and time it happened, and when the vaccination was given. • Ask your provider to report the reaction by fi ling a Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) form.

OK so you're talking about typical reactions, not specifically H1N1 vaccine reactions.

Like it's possible these kids got the mist when they didn't actually qualify, like they had egg allergies or resperatory problems, and had a deadly reaction to that.

It's scary, live virus vaccines seem like such a crap shoot.

yeah, all vaccines have pretty much the same reactions though.

I am just ready for a drink. I honestly do not know what to do. I do know I am not doing a live mist. I work in a school and I would have to keep my kids away. Plus, Mia is young too and I have no idea how her body would react. So torn :(

Juni · Guru

Do they give you a choice or is it based on pre-qualifying questions? Like, I know Owen couldn't get the mist because of his asthma but are they actually letting you pick?

I am torn again. My husband just said "I am not getting that thing, they've barely tested it." Ugh. I was set on all of us getting it and then he said that. So I asked, how are you okay with the boys getting it if you feel so strongly about the negatives? And he said it didn't matter what he thought because I already made my mind up. FTR, I asked him WEEKS ago and told him we needed to research and talk about it and decide. He did nothing. So, again, I'm torn.

Juanita · Guru

CoffeeQueen wrote:

Alison wrote:

CoffeeQueen wrote:

kdrew wrote:

CoffeeQueen wrote:

FYI - with the nasal mist you are contagious and are expected to stay away from people for 7 days. You can spread the virus. It is live.

There have been side effects from the vaccine, but all vaccines come with risk.

We had two deaths at Childrens here from the reaction to the h1n1 vaccine.

One county here only has injectables and the other only has mist. It is insane and so poorly run. No pediatricians here are giving it out. Do other states have them at their peds?

Then to add on top of it all. You have a whole mass clinic of people getting a live virus. That is insane and a great way to spread it.

I now cannot even get a reg flu shot for the kids. They are out of all pediatric doses and do not expect more in :( Even the health dept is out.

-- Edited by CoffeeQueen on Wednesday 21st of October 2009 12:38:10 PM

Did the kids that died get the mist?

I haven't heard anything about it.

I wonder if they had the flu anyway and just coincidentally had recently gotten the vaccine.

They didn't say anything about deaths from the vaccine on the report I saw just 3 nights ago.

Can you tell me where? I'm curious and would like to read about these kids.

They were from Detroit. Michigan. I honestly do not think things are being reported right away. I think they have to investigate. I only know from a nurse that works at Children's. I do not know if it was a mist or not. I do know the mist is live and it says on the directions to not have contact with people for 7 days. It all makes no sense to me. It is frustrating. I think you just need to do what you feel is right and go from there.

That is effin' scary!!!!!
Another problem is that since many doctors aren't even testing for flu, either kind, there is no real way to know if the vaccines have any effect. They may be diagnosing H1N1 when it's seasonal, and vice versa, or not diagnosing anything at all, so the statistics can't possibly be accurate. The real numbers of people who have had H1N1 could be way above or way below what's being reported in the media.

I know - this whole thing makes me sick. I am really angry at the medical wprld right now. They make parents helpless. I have no clean facts or answers, but just a dr that tells me to inject. yet, not even the CDC knows what will happen or what is to come. There is just madness surrounding this.

It's not the medical world Melissa. It's the insurance and medicaid who are losing money by testing this stuff so they've said not to test..THAT's who you should be mad it.

Juanita · Guru

I've prayed about it. I know that the devil, not the Lord places this fear in our minds and he lives off of it. Fear is not what God would have me to do.

That's what I've done and I'm 100% convinced my answer is NOT to use this brand new vaccine..

They've only had 5 months, at the most to create and test this vaccine. Is that long enough? It's not for me.

-- Edited by Juanita on Thursday 22nd of October 2009 01:53:15 PM

Erin · Guru

omg, I have gone back and forth. I need to stay off of facebook and MS. lol.

I like what you are saying Kristi. My line of thinking ended up pretty much right in line with yours. I had to look at what information I was getting, and from where, and decide what was best for us. One source that I ultimately relied on was my bff (an OB) and her husband (a family practitioner). They have 1 year old twins and a three year old and they are employed by the largest hospital in our state. They have had both vaccines, as apparently, the hospital made it a priority for their providers. After weighing everything, they have decided to get both for all of their kids. I trust her implicitly, and if she is telling her preggo patients and having her own kids get it, that comforts me greatly in my decision.

Some of the things we discussed are the concern that it seemed like the H1N1 was thrown together, however, she said that based on her research, the same protocol was followed as for the regular flu vaccine. Also, the posibility of Guillain-Barre syndrome, which is the paralysis inducing side effect shown in most of the you tube videos, etc, while awful, occurs in only about one in a million cases. Where as the potentially fatal side effects of H1N1 occur in about 1/1000 cases. My kids have no allergies, are pretty healthy generally. So, I guess looking at those types of information, it is up to everyone to make their own decision.

Unfortunaly, it is hard to come by! The mist is not available to kids under 4 here, and no injectibles have arrived anywhere. Kiera is getting the mist on Friday from her ped, then the regular flu shot two weeks later, then the mist booster two weeks after that. They didn't have either for the kids under two, and I am hoping at her appointments, they might have received some and we can get R done too. It just seems like a long winter to be worried about it. I am keeping my eyes and ears open for where to get it. And, Kyle and I will likely go to a shot clinic for the regular this weekend.

phew, sorry to be so long winded.

Jo · Guru

Ugh, this is all so tough! I just called our pediatrician's office today and asked what their stance is on it - they recommend all of their patients get the H1N1 vaccine, but they don't have it available yet. She said they are expecting the shot form to be delivered around the first week of November. I am leaning toward having the boys get it.

My OB's office also highly recommends their pregnant patients get both the regular flu and the H1N1 shots, too. But I will need to wait until I'm past the first trimester for both. I get the regular flu shot every year, they have a free clinic at work.

apies · Guru

i was sure that i was doing flu shots for both kids (required for pre-k and daycare in NJ) and skipping the H1N1.

now that i've read this, idk what to think anymore.

emily can only have the shot b/c of her asthma. i haven't checked availability yet - i will probably call their ped's office tomorrow.

emily's school sent home a flyer a few weeks ago asking if we would be interested in a flu shot clinic including H1N1 if they could set something up at the school. at the time i was a no, so i didn't respond, but now i'm worried.

i hate this kind of stress.

daisy · Guru

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muffy · Guru

Juanita wrote:

It's not the medical world Melissa. It's the insurance and medicaid who are losing money by testing this stuff so they've said not to test..THAT's who you should be mad it.

Amen! Insurance companies run the medical world - they are the devil!!!

CoffeeQueen · Guru

muffy wrote:

Juanita wrote:

It's not the medical world Melissa. It's the insurance and medicaid who are losing money by testing this stuff so they've said not to test..THAT's who you should be mad it.

Amen! Insurance companies run the medical world - they are the devil!!!

That may be the case, but the H1N1 is real and you can pray, but it can still hit you. I am not saying that just praying is wrong. I am saying that sometimes something is offered to you for protection because he cannot offer it directly. Otherwise people would not vaccinate or get medicine, period. Not trying to turn this into something else to debate. I am just saying that I have now gone back and forth. I do feel a lot of this is media hype, but I have also now talked to a slew of Doctors and they honestly are a bit worried about this virus. The biggest concern is closing down a hospital because of staff shortage, school, etc. Our school closed one year just because the flu was so bad and we were trying to prevent it from getting worse.

I believe the CDC is looking out for the best interest for the majority. Do I think that there can be complications, sure. There are a lot of factors that go into this. Just like if you get any vaccine. There are always risks. You could take an antibiotic, medicine or anything.

I have prayed about it. I have gone back and forth. I have stopped reading the news. It is starting to hit here hard. I am getting it, but not the nasal. Our Dr. is getting in the injections next week.

muffy · Guru

CoffeeQueen wrote:

muffy wrote:

Juanita wrote:

It's not the medical world Melissa. It's the insurance and medicaid who are losing money by testing this stuff so they've said not to test..THAT's who you should be mad it.

Amen! Insurance companies run the medical world - they are the devil!!!

That may be the case, but the H1N1 is real and you can pray, but it can still hit you. I am not saying that just praying is wrong. I am saying that sometimes something is offered to you for protection because he cannot offer it directly. Otherwise people would not vaccinate or get medicine, period. Not trying to turn this into something else to debate. I am just saying that I have now gone back and forth. I do feel a lot of this is media hype, but I have also now talked to a slew of Doctors and they honestly are a bit worried about this virus. The biggest concern is closing down a hospital because of staff shortage, school, etc. Our school closed one year just because the flu was so bad and we were trying to prevent it from getting worse.

I believe the CDC is looking out for the best interest for the majority. Do I think that there can be complications, sure. There are a lot of factors that go into this. Just like if you get any vaccine. There are always risks. You could take an antibiotic, medicine or anything.

I have prayed about it. I have gone back and forth. I have stopped reading the news. It is starting to hit here hard. I am getting it, but not the nasal. Our Dr. is getting in the injections next week.

Uhm... i think you totally misinterpreted my post.

my amen was only because someone else sees how effed up the insurance companies are - sorry, my response to jen was only meant for that and had nothing at all to do with h1n1 crap!

the screwed up US medical system, most importantly insurance agencies, is a HUGE issue for me - nothing at all to do with this damn flu and vaccine. my BFF's life has been RUINED because of insurance companies continually refusing her the treatment she needs. (she has a brain tumour that is re-growing atm, and the placement in her pituitary gland causes her cortisol levels to explode thus gaining weight - she is over 400 lbs at the moment) they (evil insurance co's) have just his week, yet again, refused her another important surgery and now i am in discussions with DH as to whether he is willing for US to personally pay the $40k she needs to have this surgery... money taken away from my childrens future so that my BFF forever can have a chance to live a longer and healthier life.

i am sorry you guys are so unsure about this h1n1 stuff - what to do or not. i pray that everyone on this board can reach the best decision that they are happy with for their personal situation.

CoffeeQueen · Guru

muffy wrote:

CoffeeQueen wrote:

muffy wrote:

Juanita wrote:

It's not the medical world Melissa. It's the insurance and medicaid who are losing money by testing this stuff so they've said not to test..THAT's who you should be mad it.

Amen! Insurance companies run the medical world - they are the devil!!!

That may be the case, but the H1N1 is real and you can pray, but it can still hit you. I am not saying that just praying is wrong. I am saying that sometimes something is offered to you for protection because he cannot offer it directly. Otherwise people would not vaccinate or get medicine, period. Not trying to turn this into something else to debate. I am just saying that I have now gone back and forth. I do feel a lot of this is media hype, but I have also now talked to a slew of Doctors and they honestly are a bit worried about this virus. The biggest concern is closing down a hospital because of staff shortage, school, etc. Our school closed one year just because the flu was so bad and we were trying to prevent it from getting worse.

I believe the CDC is looking out for the best interest for the majority. Do I think that there can be complications, sure. There are a lot of factors that go into this. Just like if you get any vaccine. There are always risks. You could take an antibiotic, medicine or anything.

I have prayed about it. I have gone back and forth. I have stopped reading the news. It is starting to hit here hard. I am getting it, but not the nasal. Our Dr. is getting in the injections next week.

Uhm... i think you totally misinterpreted my post.

my amen was only because someone else sees how effed up the insurance companies are - sorry, my response to jen was only meant for that and had nothing at all to do with h1n1 crap!
the screwed up US medical system, most importantly insurance agencies, is a HUGE issue for me - nothing at all to do with this damn flu and vaccine. my BFF's life has been RUINED because of insurance companies continually refusing her the treatment she needs. (she has a brain tumour that is re-growing atm, and the placement in her pituitary gland causes her cortisol levels to explode thus gaining weight - she is over 400 lbs at the moment) they (evil insurance co's) have just his week, yet again, refused her another important surgery and now i am in discussions with DH as to whether he is willing for US to personally pay the $40k she needs to have this surgery... money taken away from my childrens future so that my BFF forever can have a chance to live a longer and healthier life.
i am sorry you guys are so unsure about this h1n1 stuff - what to do or not. i pray that everyone on this board can reach the best decision that they are happy with for their personal situation.

I totally agree about our health system being screwed up. I hate trying to sort through this BS to figure if the hype is real or not. I would be rich if I did not have to pay so many fricken medical bills and that is with insurance.

I agree with ya that I hope everyone on here feels they are doing the right thing. Regardless if they get it or not. I am usually not wishy washy about this type of stuff. I just have been so freaked out over it. I was not getting it and then I was, etc. I have talked to so many health care workers and am starting to really see the damage from this stupid flu. I guess the issue is there is so much misinformation floating around. It is even being conveyed on the news.

Sorry, it really was not your Amen. It was more Jen's comment about the 5 months and praying. I am in no way wanting to hurt feelings or start anymore crap. I just was saying to myself and others that do not feel bad that praying is not enough for you. I can pray and my child can still get the flu and die. I mean I think I have heard before that God wants you to do for yourself.

I need to stop,lol

Please yell at me if you ever see me post about the flu again. I have made my decision and am sticking to it :)

-- Edited by CoffeeQueen on Thursday 22nd of October 2009 08:42:27 AM

3s_a_crowd · Guru

I dont think jen was saying praying was enough for her kids not to get it. I think she was saying she was praying for peace on whatever decision.

Anyway. Im glad you were able to come to a decision you seem to be happy with.

kdrew · Guru

muffy wrote:

CoffeeQueen wrote:

muffy wrote:

Juanita wrote:

It's not the medical world Melissa. It's the insurance and medicaid who are losing money by testing this stuff so they've said not to test..THAT's who you should be mad it.

Amen! Insurance companies run the medical world - they are the devil!!!

That may be the case, but the H1N1 is real and you can pray, but it can still hit you. I am not saying that just praying is wrong. I am saying that sometimes something is offered to you for protection because he cannot offer it directly. Otherwise people would not vaccinate or get medicine, period. Not trying to turn this into something else to debate. I am just saying that I have now gone back and forth. I do feel a lot of this is media hype, but I have also now talked to a slew of Doctors and they honestly are a bit worried about this virus. The biggest concern is closing down a hospital because of staff shortage, school, etc. Our school closed one year just because the flu was so bad and we were trying to prevent it from getting worse.

I believe the CDC is looking out for the best interest for the majority. Do I think that there can be complications, sure. There are a lot of factors that go into this. Just like if you get any vaccine. There are always risks. You could take an antibiotic, medicine or anything.

I have prayed about it. I have gone back and forth. I have stopped reading the news. It is starting to hit here hard. I am getting it, but not the nasal. Our Dr. is getting in the injections next week.

Uhm... i think you totally misinterpreted my post.

my amen was only because someone else sees how effed up the insurance companies are - sorry, my response to jen was only meant for that and had nothing at all to do with h1n1 crap!
the screwed up US medical system, most importantly insurance agencies, is a HUGE issue for me - nothing at all to do with this damn flu and vaccine. my BFF's life has been RUINED because of insurance companies continually refusing her the treatment she needs. (she has a brain tumour that is re-growing atm, and the placement in her pituitary gland causes her cortisol levels to explode thus gaining weight - she is over 400 lbs at the moment) they (evil insurance co's) have just his week, yet again, refused her another important surgery and now i am in discussions with DH as to whether he is willing for US to personally pay the $40k she needs to have this surgery... money taken away from my childrens future so that my BFF forever can have a chance to live a longer and healthier life.
i am sorry you guys are so unsure about this h1n1 stuff - what to do or not. i pray that everyone on this board can reach the best decision that they are happy with for their personal situation.

I know I was confused, I think she was responding to the wrong post.

kdrew · Guru

Has anyone come across a site that tells where the vaccines are being released? I know there are local state sites but I'm wondering if anyone is super on top of it.

My state site is not up to date.

CoffeeQueen · Guru

kdrew wrote:

Has anyone come across a site that tells where the vaccines are being released? I know there are local state sites but I'm wondering if anyone is super on top of it.

My state site is not up to date.

Do you have a health department site for your county? That is where ours is listed. My Dr. has them at his office too, so you may want to check with them. They may be able to tell you were a local clinic is if not.