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CIO? i am so desperate!!!
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no flames please!

i am at my wits end with cate.  cry.gif

i could put her down to sleep in her cradle as an infant. she would wake to feed, and most times go back down to he cradle (but sometimes stay in bed with me if i fell asleep while feeding)

well, the past 6 weeks on vacation i was lazy about ordering baby cots, so she slept with me all the time.

now, 4 days at home and she refuses her crib.  i have tried everything. crib soothers, feeding her to sleep then putting her to sleep in the crib (she would wake within 20 minutes screaming when she realised i was not there)

last night she was sooooo tired. i boob'ed her and put her down in her crib. turned on her nightlight and music. she fussed. i would give her pacifier.  she could cry, i would give her pacifier. she worked herself into hysterics.  so i took her in my arms.

but this time she continued screaming. i could not console her. she sucked my boobs dry. she kept screaming in my arms. i got her mostly calmed, and as soon as bert took her she screamed for me again... its like she needs me to sleep (and the past few night needs my boob in her mouth to sleep. :eyeroll)

separation anxiety? she is fine during the day - happy. playful. goes to anyone... bert, cecile, adelaide.

but nights have turned into pure hell.  last nights antics went from 10pm to 1230 am.

help!!!!!!!


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oh god that totally stinks.
i have no clue what to tell you. i didnt really run into this kind of thing (cara wanted nothing to do with me until she was like 1, and she never slept, so it was a non-issue, and rachel did return to my bed at around 5 mos but it was no big deal bc she didnt fuss or need to nurse.
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i'll think about it.


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I am sure it is from all the travel and her getting all out of sorts. Hopefully it is a phase. I would try doing spurts of CIO and stretch it a bit longer each time. I mean if she is hysterical then I am not sure what to do.

What about if you lay her in there and sit next to the crib rubbing her back? Will she just go nuts going in the crib?



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I am sure it is from all the travel and her getting all out of sorts. Hopefully it is a phase. I would try doing spurts of CIO and stretch it a bit longer each time. I mean if she is hysterical then I am not sure what to do.

What about if you lay her in there and sit next to the crib rubbing her back? Will she just go nuts going in the crib?



my sister had to do this kind of thing. she had to rub her back, then stand there with ehr hand on her back for hours...then move it down to a finger, then she had to have her hand in the crib but not touching, etc (this was her colicky kid) - it was grueling.

 



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@kellly - that is what I had to do with Mia too. I had to hold her hands down and make a loud shhhhhh noise for her to even close her eyes. If I timed it wrong and let go at the wrong time she would scream all night. ahhh, the good ole days,lol.

Megan, so hope it is a short phase. I know how bad it sucks to get no sleep. I had 5 solid months of a screamer and it sucked. I think Kelly takes the cake with a screamer though.

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I say yes, CIO.

She needs to learn how to get herself to sleep.

If you don't do it now then 6 months from now the same thing will be happening.

Wouldn't you rather get it over with now and have you and her be sleeping soundly for the next 6 months?

IDK, I'm just a big fan of CIO. As much as it sucks.

I'm also a fan of just doing it full force.

No going in and soothing her after 20 minutes, etc.

I think that's just torture for everyone to prolong it.

Yeah, I'm hardcore over here.

-- Edited by kdrew on Friday 27th of August 2010 08:34:18 AM

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kdrew wrote:

I say yes, CIO.

She needs to learn how to get herself to sleep.

If you don't do it now then 6 months from now the same thing will be happening.

Wouldn't you rather get it over with now and have you and her be sleeping soundly for the next 6 months?

IDK, I'm just a big fan of CIO. As much as it sucks.

I'm also a fan of just doing it full force.

No going in and soothing her after 20 minutes, etc.

I think that's just torture for everyone to prolong it.

Yeah, I'm hardcore over here.

-- Edited by kdrew on Friday 27th of August 2010 08:34:18 AM



I may fly you to CT to teach this baby to sleep, I so need to have a good sleeper this time.

Megan Lucas often worked himself into hysterics and also slammed his head into the crib over and over this is how I ended up sleeping(or not sleeping) with him on the couch for years.  I don't have advice but definitely try to break it now. I'm sure the travel just threw her off and it's just gonna take some time to get back on track.

 



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I agree with Kristi. I hate CIO but sometimes it seems like they need the chance to learn to self-soothe more than they need the same comfort that isn't really actually working, kwim?

It really sucks to hear them cry, but I think at some point all of our soothing isn't doing them any favors because it doesn't fix the underlying issue of not being able to go to sleep on their own. It's so hard though, and such an individual choice.

Good luck with whatever you end up doing, and I hope the adorable Miss Cate starts sleeping much better for you! heart.gif

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I just had to go through this with Abigail. It got so bad that she was waking up multiple times an hour all through the night.

After speaking with her doctor and doing my own research, we decided to do CIO without going in and soothing. We were prepared for the worst, but the longest she cried was around 35 minutes. It felt like forever. But then she slept! She still wakes up around 3 to eat (except for the last 2 nights but I will not jinx it and hope for anything more :X) but I'll take that over waking up all night anyday!

The biggest thing that keeps me going (because it does need to be repeated sometimes after she is sick (I go in and soothe then of course), travel, etc) is how much of a different baby she is when she is sleeping well. It's like night and day. When she's overtired, forget it. Fussy, crying baby all day long.

IMO, you need to get her back to her rested self. Once they get overtired, it ends up being a cycle that never ends and that's where a lot of bad sleep habits start. As soon as I realize she starting to get into one of these cycles due to, well, whatever, I do whatever I can to make sure she gets proper rest again. If that means staying home for 2 days so we don't mess up her nap schedule, it's worth it.

We keep to a pretty strict schedule of putting her down 2-3 hours after her last wake up and it has helped tremendously. I say 3 hours because since she is older now, she is able to stay awake a little longer.

I can't stand listening to her cry. I mean that. It's physically painful for me. I'm one of those moms that can't put her down and let her fuss while I prepare dinner or clean the house or brush my teeth. Thus she is pretty much riding my hip all day long. But, for her own good, she needs to sleep at night. The fact that I get to sleep too is just a wonderful bonus.

I hope you are able to find something that works for Cate and everyone is sleeping again soon!!

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do you think she is still trying to regulate being back home as far as timing, etc?

i have done CIO so i am not against that i am just wondering at this point if she is still just trying to get her internal clock all sorted out and then will go back to her normal sleep pattern.

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CoffeeQueen wrote:

I am sure it is from all the travel and her getting all out of sorts. Hopefully it is a phase. I would try doing spurts of CIO and stretch it a bit longer each time. I mean if she is hysterical then I am not sure what to do.

What about if you lay her in there and sit next to the crib rubbing her back? Will she just go nuts going in the crib?



my sister had to do this kind of thing. she had to rub her back, then stand there with ehr hand on her back for hours...then move it down to a finger, then she had to have her hand in the crib but not touching, etc (this was her colicky kid) - it was grueling.

 



Kelly I just had flashbacks reading this. This is exactly how I got Anna to sleep every night for months.

Megan, I am sorry things are so rough right now.  I hope you and Cate get some peaceful sleep soon no matter what you decide.  It is enough to make a person mad and break their heart to hear their baby scream like that while sleep deprived. :(

 



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thanks all!!!

i had thought last night would be better. 

at this point, i need a bit of rest myself before committing to cio.

got cate down to a peaceful sleep in our bed at 9:30. but 20 min later, clara, who was just ready for bed, ran in and jumped on the bed for a story. i dont think she realised cate was there - the vibration woke cate up screaming.  then this whole hysterics thing started again. but it only lasted an hour.

the 2 girls are going to strasbourg on tuesday to spend a week with berts parents - so tuesday night i will start operation get cate and mommy to sleep.  not sure exactly what i will do yet.  i am hoping losing the jet lag will help.


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Kenley by far was my worst sleeper.  Even after she was a year old she'd still wake up at least once a night, I'd have to go in there, lay her down and rub her back to get her back to sleep.

Even up until this week, I'd have to rock her to sleep every night.  Just the past few nights I've put her to bed, tucked her in and told her it was time to go night night.  So far so good

Long story short, I think CIO is sometimes the only option for the mom's sanity, so I say do what you have to do!!!

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