Lord help me, I keep getting more confused...

Supafly · Guru

Lord help me, I keep getting more confused...

CoffeeQueen · Guru

Supafly wrote:

I just put this here jic. (I know vaccinations are a hot button issue)

A friend of mine on FB linked me to this-it is Dr. Mercola, so definitely slanted-not at all un-biased (of COURSE), but it still makes me think. I haven't gotten through all of the q&a on the video yet.

I just don't know what to think anymore. You hear one side saying vaccines (all of them) are safe, and then you hear the other side saying they aren't. You think-if I *don't* vaccinate my kids, I am putting them at risk (not to mention they can't go to public school), but then when you hear all of this other stuff, you wonder...am I putting them at more risk by vaccinating them???

UGH.

As if it isn't hard enough worrying about everything they eat and drink, the potential mold, asbestos, lead paint, allergens, etc in your home and how they affect your wee ones, you also have to worry about this stuff.

I just sometimes wish we lived in a bubble. I hate that no matter what choices I make for my kids, and no matter how hard I try to do what is right and what is best for them, I am going to screw up. 100% certainty of that.

Where are all of you with this right now?

http://www.mercola.com/article/swine-flu/Swine-Flu-Update-2.htm

-- Edited by Supafly on Wednesday 21st of October 2009 10:55:37 AM

yeah, dr. mercola is known for this. He pretty much has an article on any vaccine or illness that can scare you. I have to read the one you posted. I have no idea that to do anymore about the flu.

I was told today by a medical professionals wife that they were pulled aside and said they may be in hot water if this mutates and we could be seeing some high numbers, loss of medical personal to treat, etc. People are taking it pretty lightly and some the opposite.

honestly, I know there are risks involved. However, I also know that many of these diseases that use to kill us and children have been eliminated due to the vaccine. If you look at statistics, more and more are not vaccinating and we have the return of many of these illnesses. The whooping cough is on the rise and so are a few others in areas.

It is scary and stressful when you do not know if your child is the one or not. I mean we were vaccinated with worse chemicals as children. Albeit, less vaccines the now, but there are both a pos. and neg.

I think there needs to be more governing of these vaccines because many people that sit in on the approval have money invested in the drug. The whole system is shitty in a way, but it is the only way I know of right now. I worry more that people will stop vaccinating and then we have a lot to worry about.

Just my opinion. off to read the entire article.

CoffeeQueen · Guru

very interesting

I do not know what to believe.

I wish I could weed through it all. It is so overwhelming.

This is all hard for my personality type,lol

Alicia · Senior Member

My kids have all the required vaccinations before entering school. I do wish I had more control over this. I did delay some of Raven's and had to get them done at the health dept in order to do this. Our insurance only covers vacc within a certain amount of time around the CDC recommendations. I think kids get more vacs then they need but I don't think I'm harming them by getting them vaccinated.

3s_a_crowd · Guru

This in my opinion is a darned if you do, darned if you dont thing for every single vax and you just have to make decisionsbased on the info you got.

I have all my kids regular vax done. H1N1 I thnk Im skipping more because I think its already hit my family. (my husband hasnt been this sick in 7 years) not that hes dying by he NEVER gets sick or the flu or whatever. Hes been dragging for over a week now still going to bed right when the kids do. So I think IM going to wait to see what next year brings.

kdrew · Guru

Sorry I didn't read any of that other H1N1 thread so I don't know where you guys are but I watched the 60 minutes thing the other night and here's where I am.

1. When and if the shot is available, I WILL be getting it for me and my kids. I won't get the mist with the live virus. I went to Walgreen's minute clinic yesterday and they had the mist but not the shot.

2. There are 7 months left in the flu season, I can't imagine with 2 kids in grade school that we will not get the swine flu eventually.

3. The death ratio in this first month of the flu season compared to the entire last year's flu season is enough to have me running scared.

4. The CDC says get it, get it, get it if you can. I'm going to listen to them. They said that they started administering the vaccine Oct. 6th and they haven't had any reports of side effects yet.

kris · Guru

kdrew wrote:

Sorry I didn't read any of that other H1N1 thread so I don't know where you guys are but I watched the 60 minutes thing the other night and here's where I am.

1. When and if the shot is available, I WILL be getting it for me and my kids. I won't get the mist with the live virus. I went to Walgreen's minute clinic yesterday and they had the mist but not the shot.

2. There are 7 months left in the flu season, I can't imagine with 2 kids in grade school that we will not get the swine flu eventually.

3. The death ratio in this first month of the flu season compared to the entire last year's flu season is enough to have me running scared.

4. The CDC says get it, get it, get it if you can. I'm going to listen to them. They said that they started administering the vaccine Oct. 6th and they haven't had any reports of side effects yet.

Kristi - I'm leaning heavily this direction.

We can get it starting tomorrow at some clinics but only the kids will be allowed to have it as I do not fall into a high risk category.

I want to get the kiddos their regular flu vaccine tonight - they have an appt with their ped on 11/13 but I've heard there could be a shortage by then.

Melissa - I think you and I might have similar personalities - this is almost too much for me to handle. I can't control them getting the flu, I can't control them having a reaction to the shot. I'm so freaking out of control on this I can't hardly stand it!!!

kdrew · Guru

kris wrote:

kdrew wrote:

Sorry I didn't read any of that other H1N1 thread so I don't know where you guys are but I watched the 60 minutes thing the other night and here's where I am.

1. When and if the shot is available, I WILL be getting it for me and my kids. I won't get the mist with the live virus. I went to Walgreen's minute clinic yesterday and they had the mist but not the shot.

2. There are 7 months left in the flu season, I can't imagine with 2 kids in grade school that we will not get the swine flu eventually.

3. The death ratio in this first month of the flu season compared to the entire last year's flu season is enough to have me running scared.

4. The CDC says get it, get it, get it if you can. I'm going to listen to them. They said that they started administering the vaccine Oct. 6th and they haven't had any reports of side effects yet.

Kristi - I'm leaning heavily this direction.

We can get it starting tomorrow at some clinics but only the kids will be allowed to have it as I do not fall into a high risk category.

I want to get the kiddos their regular flu vaccine tonight - they have an appt with their ped on 11/13 but I've heard there could be a shortage by then.

Melissa - I think you and I might have similar personalities - this is almost too much for me to handle. I can't control them getting the flu, I can't control them having a reaction to the shot. I'm so freaking out of control on this I can't hardly stand it!!!

Just FYI - you can't get the mist for both the regular flu vaccine and the H1N1 vaccine.

You can get the mist for one but then have to get the shot for the other so the 2 live virus' don't mix.

Just since you mentioned you're getting the regular one too.

Alison · Guru

Dr. Mercola has some good points.

And regarding diseases that used to kill people but have decreased drastically since vaccines, the more I read, the more I doubt that - many of those diseases were already on the decline due to more sanitary living conditions and food safety. Hand washing is a big reason too.

We still vaccinate for polio, of which there hasn't been a wild case of in this hemisphere since the 70s.

Whooping cough, from many sources that I've read, has a natural ebb and flow - it is "on the rise" every few years, and then drops again, regardless of vaccination status. Also, the pertussis protection from the DTaP vaccine is one of the least effective of all vaccines - people still get and transmit the virus even when fully vaccinated. Protection wears off, so adults are getting it and transmitting it to other adults and children all the time. It's just that the symptoms are usually less severe and without the "whoop" outside of infancy.

Also, the vast majority of pertussis fatalities occur before 2 months of age - but the vaccine series doesn't even start until 2 months.

I've done a lot of reading on the subject of vaccines and am more confused than ever, LOL. The DTaP vaccine scares the hell out of me. SIDS is listed in the product insert as a possible side effect!

It was almost easier when I didn't know anything about vaccines and just got them all on schedule for Mason. But now that I know more, I wonder if vaccines are partially to blame for his gross motor delays. His development was right on target, and even a little early, until his 6 month shots.

kris · Guru

kdrew wrote:

kris wrote:

kdrew wrote:

Sorry I didn't read any of that other H1N1 thread so I don't know where you guys are but I watched the 60 minutes thing the other night and here's where I am.

1. When and if the shot is available, I WILL be getting it for me and my kids. I won't get the mist with the live virus. I went to Walgreen's minute clinic yesterday and they had the mist but not the shot.

2. There are 7 months left in the flu season, I can't imagine with 2 kids in grade school that we will not get the swine flu eventually.

3. The death ratio in this first month of the flu season compared to the entire last year's flu season is enough to have me running scared.

4. The CDC says get it, get it, get it if you can. I'm going to listen to them. They said that they started administering the vaccine Oct. 6th and they haven't had any reports of side effects yet.

Kristi - I'm leaning heavily this direction.

We can get it starting tomorrow at some clinics but only the kids will be allowed to have it as I do not fall into a high risk category.

I want to get the kiddos their regular flu vaccine tonight - they have an appt with their ped on 11/13 but I've heard there could be a shortage by then.

Melissa - I think you and I might have similar personalities - this is almost too much for me to handle. I can't control them getting the flu, I can't control them having a reaction to the shot. I'm so freaking out of control on this I can't hardly stand it!!!

Just FYI - you can't get the mist for both the regular flu vaccine and the H1N1 vaccine.

You can get the mist for one but then have to get the shot for the other so the 2 live virus' don't mix.

Just since you mentioned you're getting the regular one too.

I had planned on getting the shots for both . . . to me getting something shot up your nose is worse than the brief needle stick.

what are benefits of nasal? anything other than not having to deal with needles?

CoffeeQueen · Guru

FYI - with the nasal mist you are contagious and are expected to stay away from people for 7 days. You can spread the virus. It is live.

There have been side effects from the vaccine, but all vaccines come with risk.

We had two deaths at Childrens here from the reaction to the h1n1 vaccine.

One county here only has injectables and the other only has mist. It is insane and so poorly run. No pediatricians here are giving it out. Do other states have them at their peds?

Then to add on top of it all. You have a whole mass clinic of people getting a live virus. That is insane and a great way to spread it.

I now cannot even get a reg flu shot for the kids. They are out of all pediatric doses and do not expect more in :( Even the health dept is out.

-- Edited by CoffeeQueen on Wednesday 21st of October 2009 12:38:10 PM

kdrew · Guru

kris wrote:

kdrew wrote:

kris wrote:

kdrew wrote:

Sorry I didn't read any of that other H1N1 thread so I don't know where you guys are but I watched the 60 minutes thing the other night and here's where I am.

1. When and if the shot is available, I WILL be getting it for me and my kids. I won't get the mist with the live virus. I went to Walgreen's minute clinic yesterday and they had the mist but not the shot.

2. There are 7 months left in the flu season, I can't imagine with 2 kids in grade school that we will not get the swine flu eventually.

3. The death ratio in this first month of the flu season compared to the entire last year's flu season is enough to have me running scared.

4. The CDC says get it, get it, get it if you can. I'm going to listen to them. They said that they started administering the vaccine Oct. 6th and they haven't had any reports of side effects yet.

Kristi - I'm leaning heavily this direction.

We can get it starting tomorrow at some clinics but only the kids will be allowed to have it as I do not fall into a high risk category.

I want to get the kiddos their regular flu vaccine tonight - they have an appt with their ped on 11/13 but I've heard there could be a shortage by then.

Melissa - I think you and I might have similar personalities - this is almost too much for me to handle. I can't control them getting the flu, I can't control them having a reaction to the shot. I'm so freaking out of control on this I can't hardly stand it!!!

Just FYI - you can't get the mist for both the regular flu vaccine and the H1N1 vaccine.

You can get the mist for one but then have to get the shot for the other so the 2 live virus' don't mix.

Just since you mentioned you're getting the regular one too.

I had planned on getting the shots for both . . . to me getting something shot up your nose is worse than the brief needle stick.

what are benefits of nasal? anything other than not having to deal with needles?

For my kids it's just not having to deal with needles.

The live virus part is the scary part but they got the mist last year and were fine so I let them get it again this year.

I'd prefer they get the shots.

The mist for H1N1 is just too scary for me though, I'm not ready for that live virus.

ETA - the H1N1 mist is only available near me right now, not the shot.

That's why I thought I'd tell you in case you came across this too.

-- Edited by kdrew on Wednesday 21st of October 2009 12:48:17 PM

kdrew · Guru

CoffeeQueen wrote:

FYI - with the nasal mist you are contagious and are expected to stay away from people for 7 days. You can spread the virus. It is live.

There have been side effects from the vaccine, but all vaccines come with risk.

We had two deaths at Childrens here from the reaction to the h1n1 vaccine.

One county here only has injectables and the other only has mist. It is insane and so poorly run. No pediatricians here are giving it out. Do other states have them at their peds?

Then to add on top of it all. You have a whole mass clinic of people getting a live virus. That is insane and a great way to spread it.

I now cannot even get a reg flu shot for the kids. They are out of all pediatric doses and do not expect more in :( Even the health dept is out.

-- Edited by CoffeeQueen on Wednesday 21st of October 2009 12:38:10 PM

Did the kids that died get the mist?

I haven't heard anything about it.

I wonder if they had the flu anyway and just coincidentally had recently gotten the vaccine.

They didn't say anything about deaths from the vaccine on the report I saw just 3 nights ago.

Can you tell me where? I'm curious and would like to read about these kids.

supergrover · Guru

CoffeeQueen wrote:

FYI - with the nasal mist you are contagious and are expected to stay away from people for 7 days. You can spread the virus. It is live.

There have been side effects from the vaccine, but all vaccines come with risk.

We had two deaths at Childrens here from the reaction to the h1n1 vaccine.

One county here only has injectables and the other only has mist. It is insane and so poorly run. No pediatricians here are giving it out. Do other states have them at their peds?

Then to add on top of it all. You have a whole mass clinic of people getting a live virus. That is insane and a great way to spread it.

I now cannot even get a reg flu shot for the kids. They are out of all pediatric doses and do not expect more in :( Even the health dept is out.

-- Edited by CoffeeQueen on Wednesday 21st of October 2009 12:38:10 PM

Insanity is running a mass vaccination clinic on campus expecting to vaccinnate up to 300 students per hour. The insane part? The vaccine isn't available to the very staff who are being asked/required to help run the clinic until a week later.

I hate this.

CoffeeQueen · Guru

kdrew wrote:

CoffeeQueen wrote:

FYI - with the nasal mist you are contagious and are expected to stay away from people for 7 days. You can spread the virus. It is live.

There have been side effects from the vaccine, but all vaccines come with risk.

We had two deaths at Childrens here from the reaction to the h1n1 vaccine.

One county here only has injectables and the other only has mist. It is insane and so poorly run. No pediatricians here are giving it out. Do other states have them at their peds?

Then to add on top of it all. You have a whole mass clinic of people getting a live virus. That is insane and a great way to spread it.

I now cannot even get a reg flu shot for the kids. They are out of all pediatric doses and do not expect more in :( Even the health dept is out.

-- Edited by CoffeeQueen on Wednesday 21st of October 2009 12:38:10 PM

Did the kids that died get the mist?

I haven't heard anything about it.

I wonder if they had the flu anyway and just coincidentally had recently gotten the vaccine.

They didn't say anything about deaths from the vaccine on the report I saw just 3 nights ago.

Can you tell me where? I'm curious and would like to read about these kids.

They were from Detroit. Michigan. I honestly do not think things are being reported right away. I think they have to investigate. I only know from a nurse that works at Children's. I do not know if it was a mist or not. I do know the mist is live and it says on the directions to not have contact with people for 7 days. It all makes no sense to me. It is frustrating. I think you just need to do what you feel is right and go from there.

kdrew · Guru

CoffeeQueen wrote:

kdrew wrote:

CoffeeQueen wrote:

FYI - with the nasal mist you are contagious and are expected to stay away from people for 7 days. You can spread the virus. It is live.

There have been side effects from the vaccine, but all vaccines come with risk.

We had two deaths at Childrens here from the reaction to the h1n1 vaccine.

One county here only has injectables and the other only has mist. It is insane and so poorly run. No pediatricians here are giving it out. Do other states have them at their peds?

Then to add on top of it all. You have a whole mass clinic of people getting a live virus. That is insane and a great way to spread it.

I now cannot even get a reg flu shot for the kids. They are out of all pediatric doses and do not expect more in :( Even the health dept is out.

-- Edited by CoffeeQueen on Wednesday 21st of October 2009 12:38:10 PM

Did the kids that died get the mist?

I haven't heard anything about it.

I wonder if they had the flu anyway and just coincidentally had recently gotten the vaccine.

They didn't say anything about deaths from the vaccine on the report I saw just 3 nights ago.

Can you tell me where? I'm curious and would like to read about these kids.

They were from Detroit. Michigan. I honestly do not think things are being reported right away. I think they have to investigate. I only know from a nurse that works at Children's. I do not know if it was a mist or not. I do know the mist is live and it says on the directions to not have contact with people for 7 days. It all makes no sense to me. It is frustrating. I think you just need to do what you feel is right and go from there.

Oh OK. I thought their deaths had been reported.

So basically the nurse has no idea what the actual cause of death was.

CoffeeQueen · Guru

supergrover wrote:

CoffeeQueen wrote:

FYI - with the nasal mist you are contagious and are expected to stay away from people for 7 days. You can spread the virus. It is live.

There have been side effects from the vaccine, but all vaccines come with risk.

We had two deaths at Childrens here from the reaction to the h1n1 vaccine.

One county here only has injectables and the other only has mist. It is insane and so poorly run. No pediatricians here are giving it out. Do other states have them at their peds?

Then to add on top of it all. You have a whole mass clinic of people getting a live virus. That is insane and a great way to spread it.

I now cannot even get a reg flu shot for the kids. They are out of all pediatric doses and do not expect more in :( Even the health dept is out.

-- Edited by CoffeeQueen on Wednesday 21st of October 2009 12:38:10 PM

Insanity is running a mass vaccination clinic on campus expecting to vaccinnate up to 300 students per hour. The insane part? The vaccine isn't available to the very staff who are being asked/required to help run the clinic until a week later.

I hate this.

For real? Are you guys doing the nasal mist? This whole thing is out of control. Parents are going nuts here. This really is scary how unprepared we are. Also, I bet we will start to run out of Tamiflu now.

CoffeeQueen · Guru

kdrew wrote:

CoffeeQueen wrote:

kdrew wrote:

CoffeeQueen wrote:

FYI - with the nasal mist you are contagious and are expected to stay away from people for 7 days. You can spread the virus. It is live.

There have been side effects from the vaccine, but all vaccines come with risk.

We had two deaths at Childrens here from the reaction to the h1n1 vaccine.

One county here only has injectables and the other only has mist. It is insane and so poorly run. No pediatricians here are giving it out. Do other states have them at their peds?

Then to add on top of it all. You have a whole mass clinic of people getting a live virus. That is insane and a great way to spread it.

I now cannot even get a reg flu shot for the kids. They are out of all pediatric doses and do not expect more in :( Even the health dept is out.

-- Edited by CoffeeQueen on Wednesday 21st of October 2009 12:38:10 PM

Did the kids that died get the mist?

I haven't heard anything about it.

I wonder if they had the flu anyway and just coincidentally had recently gotten the vaccine.

They didn't say anything about deaths from the vaccine on the report I saw just 3 nights ago.

Can you tell me where? I'm curious and would like to read about these kids.

They were from Detroit. Michigan. I honestly do not think things are being reported right away. I think they have to investigate. I only know from a nurse that works at Children's. I do not know if it was a mist or not. I do know the mist is live and it says on the directions to not have contact with people for 7 days. It all makes no sense to me. It is frustrating. I think you just need to do what you feel is right and go from there.

Oh OK. I thought their deaths had been reported.

So basically the nurse has no idea what the actual cause of death was.

In reality, yes. She said that the child had the vaccine that day and the symptoms go hand in hand with reaction to the vaccine. Now, you know many things can contribute so I do not have details like that. I just am so sick of this back and forth.

They said over 80% of medical staff will not take the shot. I do not get it. Is there something we do not know?

Alison · Guru

CoffeeQueen wrote:

kdrew wrote:

CoffeeQueen wrote:

FYI - with the nasal mist you are contagious and are expected to stay away from people for 7 days. You can spread the virus. It is live.

There have been side effects from the vaccine, but all vaccines come with risk.

We had two deaths at Childrens here from the reaction to the h1n1 vaccine.

One county here only has injectables and the other only has mist. It is insane and so poorly run. No pediatricians here are giving it out. Do other states have them at their peds?

Then to add on top of it all. You have a whole mass clinic of people getting a live virus. That is insane and a great way to spread it.

I now cannot even get a reg flu shot for the kids. They are out of all pediatric doses and do not expect more in :( Even the health dept is out.

-- Edited by CoffeeQueen on Wednesday 21st of October 2009 12:38:10 PM

Did the kids that died get the mist?

I haven't heard anything about it.

I wonder if they had the flu anyway and just coincidentally had recently gotten the vaccine.

They didn't say anything about deaths from the vaccine on the report I saw just 3 nights ago.

Can you tell me where? I'm curious and would like to read about these kids.

They were from Detroit. Michigan. I honestly do not think things are being reported right away. I think they have to investigate. I only know from a nurse that works at Children's. I do not know if it was a mist or not. I do know the mist is live and it says on the directions to not have contact with people for 7 days. It all makes no sense to me. It is frustrating. I think you just need to do what you feel is right and go from there.

That is effin' scary!!!!!

Another problem is that since many doctors aren't even testing for flu, either kind, there is no real way to know if the vaccines have any effect. They may be diagnosing H1N1 when it's seasonal, and vice versa, or not diagnosing anything at all, so the statistics can't possibly be accurate. The real numbers of people who have had H1N1 could be way above or way below what's being reported in the media.

CoffeeQueen · Guru

Alison wrote:

CoffeeQueen wrote:

kdrew wrote:

CoffeeQueen wrote:

FYI - with the nasal mist you are contagious and are expected to stay away from people for 7 days. You can spread the virus. It is live.

There have been side effects from the vaccine, but all vaccines come with risk.

We had two deaths at Childrens here from the reaction to the h1n1 vaccine.

One county here only has injectables and the other only has mist. It is insane and so poorly run. No pediatricians here are giving it out. Do other states have them at their peds?

Then to add on top of it all. You have a whole mass clinic of people getting a live virus. That is insane and a great way to spread it.

I now cannot even get a reg flu shot for the kids. They are out of all pediatric doses and do not expect more in :( Even the health dept is out.

-- Edited by CoffeeQueen on Wednesday 21st of October 2009 12:38:10 PM

Did the kids that died get the mist?

I haven't heard anything about it.

I wonder if they had the flu anyway and just coincidentally had recently gotten the vaccine.

They didn't say anything about deaths from the vaccine on the report I saw just 3 nights ago.

Can you tell me where? I'm curious and would like to read about these kids.

They were from Detroit. Michigan. I honestly do not think things are being reported right away. I think they have to investigate. I only know from a nurse that works at Children's. I do not know if it was a mist or not. I do know the mist is live and it says on the directions to not have contact with people for 7 days. It all makes no sense to me. It is frustrating. I think you just need to do what you feel is right and go from there.

That is effin' scary!!!!!
Another problem is that since many doctors aren't even testing for flu, either kind, there is no real way to know if the vaccines have any effect. They may be diagnosing H1N1 when it's seasonal, and vice versa, or not diagnosing anything at all, so the statistics can't possibly be accurate. The real numbers of people who have had H1N1 could be way above or way below what's being reported in the media.

I know - this whole thing makes me sick. I am really angry at the medical wprld right now. They make parents helpless. I have no clean facts or answers, but just a dr that tells me to inject. yet, not even the CDC knows what will happen or what is to come. There is just madness surrounding this.